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Article #220Re: Latin-1 and the French language
From: Christian Huitema
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 1991 18:06
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 1991 18:06
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In article <1941@seti.inria.fr>, Philippe.Deschamp@Seti.INRIA.Fr (Philippe Deschamp) writes: > Yes (I should add, IMHO, but somehow cannot :-). Some words will use > "oe" > (two separate letters), some others <oe> (the [in]famous so-called > ligature). > Examples: oeil (eye), oeuf (egg), boeuf (ox), oeuvre (work, opus), coeur > (heart) all use the ligature <oe>, and must be written <oe>il, <oe>uf, > b<oe>uf, > <oe>uvre, c<oe>ur, while coefficient, coercition, coexister > (self-explanatory) > or boette (a kind of bait) do not use it. > > Thus this ``ligature'' is different from the "ff", "fi", "ffi" ligatures, > which are imposed by typographers as soon as the characters occur together: > I > write "coefficient", and I want it to appear on paper as "coe<ffi>cient". Three comments: 1- the <oe> group is really a ligature. Traditional directory sorting request that <oe> be sorted as the group <o> <e>. Representing it by a single character would not help much. 2- there is a general rule on "when to apply the ligature", and that is "when the <e> is mute". The ligature shall not be applied if the e is accentuated, or marked by a diaresis, or is necessary to "sound" the next letter. That could easily be programmed -- without the help of a dictionnary. 3- moreover, the absence of the ligature has absolutely no impact on prononciation and/or comprehension. Like many specificities of the French written form, this ligature is much more a scholastic mark of elegance than an improvement in readibility. Leaving it as two characters is, in my opinion, a good idea... Christian Huitema
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!usc!jarthur!uunet!mcsun!corton!mirsa!jerry.inria.fr!huitema From: huitema@jerry.inria.fr (Christian Huitema) Newsgroups: comp.std.internat Subject: Re: Latin-1 and the French language Keywords: ISO 8859-1, Latin-1, french, ligature Message-ID: <10224@mirsa.inria.fr> Date: 21 Feb 91 18:06:36 GMT References: <728@castor.linkoping.telesoft.se> <ENAG.91Feb4001847@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no> <ENAG.91Feb8023012@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no> <1941@seti.inria.fr> Sender: news@mirsa.inria.fr Reply-To: huitema@jerry.inria.fr (Christian Huitema) Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr) Lines: 40 Nntp-Posting-Host: jerry.inria.fr