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Article #358Re: Dumb Americans (was INTERNATIONALIZATION: JAPAN, FAR EAST)
From: Dik T. Winter
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 22:27
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 22:27
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In article <1i2durINN2pj@rodan.UU.NET> avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:
> >If so, what are the consequences,
>
> The good spell-checker will suggest to replace the letter with the
> correct one.
I can imagine the confusion:
spelling error, suggested replacement "a for "a.
>
> >Moreover, one question: how would you encode the German A-umlaut such that
> >it sorts properly (i.e. as if it is the letter combination AE)?
>
> The sorting order should be strict -- if you have two identical words
> with a-umlaut and ae in the middle is it the same word? If it is then
> ae IS a variation of a-umlaut and should always be treated as a signle
> letter.
>
I do not think you understand. From the AVON (Amtliches Verzeichnis der
Ortnetzkennzahlen) edition 1985, which gives area codes for the places in
Germany. The next is a selection of places mentioned ("o is o-umlaut):
Modautal
M"ockm"uhl
...
M"ornsheim
Moers
M"ossingen
...
M"otzingen
Mogendorf
now come up with a coding that allows this (standard German) sorting.
Note that it is not allowed to spell Moers as M"ors, that is a severe
spelling error! On the other hand in the absense of umlauts it is
allowable to spell "o as oe (because it is in fact a shorthand for it),
but to do so when there are umlauts available does not look very good.
>
> >Even in
> >a single language (German) you can not come up with a coding that gives
> >proper sorting.
>
> You can come with a reasonable approximation anyway.
If so, what do you deem reasonable in this case?
...
> Forget about "traditions" -- users do not care which code is inside if
> it looks like their usual stuff.
So users are completely uninterested in the coding and the sorting algorithm
used!
--
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj amsterdam, nederland
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn amsterdam, nederland; e-mail: dik@cwi.nl
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