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Article #447Re: 8-bit news
From: Vernon Schryver
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:32
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:32
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In article <89RsVB3w165w@blues.kk.sub.org>, kosta@blues.kk.sub.org (Kosta Kostis) writes: > ... > If a system is not capable of storing and forwarding 8-bit octets, > why is it connected to the Internet? Maybe we should simply not route > anything over those systems. Old hardware got to be replaced someday > and should it be only because of the energy it consumes... ;-) > ... This is a persistent cause of the continuing disagreement. Some modest corners of the Internet are "authoritarian." Someone or some group tells everyone what they can do. Other parts are more "democratic" or even "anarchic". No one can tell anyone else what to run in those corners. At most, "peer pressure" can be invoked against those who do not run "standards compliant" systems. For now, "standards compliant" means "7-bit." You might disagree with the wisdom of either of those facts (that "the net" is not run by a benovolent European dictator or that 7-bits is or ever was a reasonable standard). It is crazy (as is in "refusing to accept reality") to say that either is not a fact. SMTP was developed by people were not crazy, who know that some target machines could at the time only do 7-bit text, and only with some difficulty. MIME is being developed by people who are similarly pragmatic. MIME will move 8-bit mail through systems that are both old and 7-bit. It was probably either provicial or short sighted for SMTP to not have included some kind of encoding for 8-bit data (although the "S" does stand for "simple"). It is provincial today to expect the entire Internet to be changed to support 8-bit text; It is provincial because it ignores the concerns and constraints of other people. Vernon Schryver, vjs@sgi.com
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!olivea!sgigate!sgi!rhyolite!vjs From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver) Newsgroups: comp.std.internat,news.admin.misc Subject: Re: 8-bit news Keywords: ISO8859 ISO10646 8bit Message-ID: <tmjsfl4@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com> Date: 17 Dec 92 01:32:14 GMT References: <Bz9Bw3.2I6@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <89RsVB3w165w@blues.kk.sub.org> Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA Lines: 37