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Article #538Re: Dumb Americans (was INTERNATIONALIZATION: JAPAN, FAR EAST)
From: Chiaki Ishikawa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:17
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:17
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In article <1jnlg0INN9n4@life.ai.mit.edu> glenn@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Glenn A. Adams) writes: In article <2770@titccy.cc.titech.ac.jp> mohta@necom830.cc.titech.ac.jp (Masataka Ohta) writes: >Consider, for example, a very common radical used for plant-related >characters, such as grass and flowers (character code from 827C to 864F >of DIS 10646-1.2). > >Its shape in Japanese or mainland China is > > * * > **************** > * * > >whose stroke count is 3, while its shape in Taiwan and Korea is > > * * > ******* ******* > * * > >whose stroke count is 4. But, these different characters with differently >shaped radicals are unified in Unicode. Yes, this is a good example of where there is a difference in how people count strokes. [partial omission] However, in all cases there is absolutely no difference in meaning. One can freely substitute in writing either form of this radical; few people will even notice unless they look closely. I don't care how many strokes there are. BUT, for once, I STRONGLY DISAGREE. If you ask ordinary Japanese of modern Japan in the street, they would say that the characters using the radical mentioned in the upper position above and the characters using the radical mentioned in the lower position above are CERTAINLY DIFFERENT. I would bet about 1/3 to half the people would even say, "you are writing an INCORRECT characters."! And this is exactly why there is opposition from Japan today about unification and I feel uncomfortable with it. I doubt if Japanese delegation to CJK group said that "few people will even notice unless they look closely." You probably know that the distinction of these characters led to local government offices to install special computer systems so that the names do not get printed with incorrect characters. Fujitsu, for example, has a big business in such local government offices by extending their printer's capability, etc.. Again, I belive the opposition to unification is partially based on the degree with which people differentiate two characters as different or not. So disagreement is unavoidalble. But, the above example is I believe where majority of modern Japanese would say two different characters and not a good one. I can't speak for modern Chinese or Koreans, though. I might even want to really ask the workers at my office if there is a newsreaders' demand. Also, I want to check my sanity here :-) Am I missing something here? Chiaki Ishikawa, Personal Media Corp., MY Bldg, 1-7-7 Hiratsuka, Shinagawa, Tokyo 142, JAPAN. FAX:+81-3-5702-0359, Phone:+81-3-5702-0351 UUNET: ishikawa@personal-media.co.jp
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!sh.wide!wnoc-tyo-news!sranha!anprda!pmcgw!personal-media.co.jp From: ishikawa@personal-media.co.jp (Chiaki Ishikawa) Newsgroups: comp.std.internat Subject: Re: Dumb Americans (was INTERNATIONALIZATION: JAPAN, FAR EAST) Message-ID: <ISHIKAWA.93Jan22211810@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp> Date: 22 Jan 93 12:17:56 GMT References: <2676@titccy.cc.titech.ac.jp> <1ippgmINN7af@life.ai.mit.edu> <2770@titccy.cc.titech.ac.jp> <1jnlg0INN9n4@life.ai.mit.edu> Sender: news@pmcgw.personal-media.co.jp Reply-To: ishikawa@personal-media.co.jp Organization: Personal Media Corp., Tokyo Japan Lines: 64 Nntp-Posting-Host: ds5200 In-reply-to: glenn@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu's message of 22 Jan 93 02:17:22 GMT X-Md4-Signature: e6b5904e494d49892f596fc6a2395093