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Re: Dumb Americans (was INTERNATIONALIZATION: JAPAN, FAR EAST)

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From: Glenn A. Adams
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 03:41
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In article <id.E1FW.PX5@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
>You have identified two problems with Unicode and ISO 10646: case conversion
>and lexical ordering.

I do not agree.  I believe that Vadim thought that similar glyphs were
unified irrespective of script (e.g., Latin T vs Cyrillic T).  Since
this is incorrect, his claim regarding case conversion is unfounded
(though I must admit their are case conversion problems which I didn't
see mentioned, e.g., Turkish i/DOTTED CAPITAL I -- this is an issue
though a bit different than was claimed).

As for lexical ordering, no character set can solve this problem
unless it is defined for use with a single writing system.  A universal
character set abstracts the differences between writing systems
(i.e., languages) by encoding scripts; thus no universal character
set which encodes scripts can simultaneously define all requisite
lexical orderings (though it might choose one ordering arbitrarily).

Consequently, I would say that these are not problems with Unicode
or 10646; instead, they are problems having to do with text processing
in general.  And, no universal character set which unifies scripts
can solve these problems; furthermore, I would argue that a universal
character set which does not unify scripts (i.e., encodings writing
systems directly) will not only be hopelessly inefficient (because
of the much, much larger encoding space required), but also
hopelessly incomplete (because new writing system are being created
all the time). 

Unicode made the correct choice by encoding scripts independently
of writing system (language/orthography); it also made the correct
choice in determining that the problem of lexical ordering is a
higher-level problem, not to be solved by a character set.

Glenn Adams 
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From: glenn@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Glenn A. Adams)
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Subject: Re: Dumb Americans (was INTERNATIONALIZATION: JAPAN, FAR EAST)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 03:41:46 GMT
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Keywords: Han Kanji Katakana Hirugana ISO10646 Unicode Codepages