🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Article View: comp.std.internat
Article #615

Re: Let's develop ISO sorting rules

#615
From: Lars Wirzenius
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 19:22
28 lines
2017 bytes
mskuhn@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de writes:
>No, the answer that NO internationally suitable sorting algorithm (not
>only sorted character table!) is possible is too simple in my eyes.

And making everybody use the same sorting order is not workable in my
eyes.  The English words co-ordinate and co-"ordinate ("o = o with two
dots on top; this is quite correct English) should be sorted together,
but the Swedish words ost (cheese) and "ost (East) should not.  In the
former case, o and "o are the same letter and that's why they should
be kept together, in the latter case they are very, very distinct
letters with only a happenstance similarity in the way they look, and
mixing them is not going to be accepted by more than perhaps one or
two users (and those are probably programmers :).

While it is true that users to have to change when they use computers,
the sorting order is not one of the cases where they will do it.
Actually, if I were willing to change the order of the alphabet to
suit computers, I'd just as soon make everybody start using a common
language (English, Esperanto, or whatever), and make the whole
problem i18n disappear.

I18n seems to be a fun topic: any rational-sounding solution that
looks ideal from an engineering and programming standpoint gets
shouted down by a pack of change-unfriendly users.  :-)

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi  (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
   MS-DOS, you can't live with it, you can live without it.
Technical Details
Message-ID: <1993Jan5.192239.8089@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!mcsun!news.funet.fi!hydra!klaava!wirzeniu
References: <1ibmdcEINNooe@uni-erlangen.de> <1993Jan5.150305.755@klaava.Helsinki.FI> <1icgidEINN4v3@uni-erlangen.de>

Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
Newsgroups: comp.std.internat
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!mcsun!news.funet.fi!hydra!klaava!wirzeniu
From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Subject: Re: Let's develop ISO sorting rules
Message-ID: <1993Jan5.192239.8089@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
Keywords: Han Kanji Katakana Hirugana ISO10646 Unicode Codepages
Organization: University of Helsinki
References: <1ibmdcEINNooe@uni-erlangen.de> <1993Jan5.150305.755@klaava.Helsinki.FI> <1icgidEINN4v3@uni-erlangen.de>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:22:39 GMT
Lines: 28