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Dumb Terry

#648
From: Masataka Ohta
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 08:55
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In article <1993Jan7.063116.14846@fcom.cc.utah.edu>
	terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) writes:

>The
>collation sequences for Japanese, for instance, vary on pronuciation.  If
>it were the intent of Unicode to provide a unified collation mechanism,
>this would be a very strong argument against Chinese/Japanese unification.

You completely miss the point. Japanese Kanji does not have a unique
pronouciation, while Japanese word has.

>First, Unicode is not the sole definition of 10646; just the only currently
>defined character set within 10646.  There is no reason to throw out 10646
>because of Unicode (although I could make an argument for 32 bits being a
>nifty reason for doing so).

10646 explicitely assign corresponding C/J/K Han in GB, JIS and KCS national
standard to the same code point. Thus, expanding 10646 to 32 bit can't
re-separate the assignment.

That is, 10646 is unusable, because it is polluted with Unicode.

>Second, Unicode buys more than simply another character set; it buys the
>ability to produce non-conflicting monolingual localizations of software
>systems (as opposed to conflicting ones as a result of a lack of standards
>coordination with existing standards).  It also buys a platform for
>non-conflicting multinationalization (multilingual data processing) given
>a means of compounding documents by language/locale (there may be more than
>one locale per language).

For such a purpose, use EUC, which is the moderate subset of ISO 2022.

>The Unicode character set solves a number of long standing problems.

Unicode is a genuine mixture of past failures:

	1) 16 bitness from 8 bitness of ISO 8859/*
	2) statefullness (by signature) from ISO 2022
	3) combining characters from ISO 6937
	4) existence of full/half width character from JIS X0201/0208

and more, without solving any problems. And now, you are importing
one more failure: incorrect dependence on locale model.

						Masataka Ohta
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