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Article #678Ukraine: Language tagging
From: David J Birnbaum
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 13:16
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 13:16
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>Proto-Latin, proto-Cyrillic etc sorting makes a lot of sense for >business applications, providing uniformed way to deal with >multilingual lists (and such sorting has an attractive quality -- >it "automatically" reduces to a national sorting after deletion >of foreighn letters). Somehow, it is a simplified scheme of >sorting large libraries use. Multilingual sorting, even for languages that share a script, seems to me to be first a conceptual, and only second an implementational, problem. That is, if the soft sign sorts after <ja> in Ukrainian but several letters before it in other Slavic languages written in Cyrillic, what is _the correct_ pan-Cyrillic sorting order? Neither solution will automatically reduce to correct sorting for all languages if the Cyrillic inventory contains a single soft sign and a single <ja>. We could create two soft signs, one for Ukrainian and one for everyone else (similarly to the solution proposed for certain Latin letters with diacritics), but then the "proto-Cyrillic" multilingual sort loses much of its attractiveness. I see the primary problem as determining how we want multilingual lists to sort, rather than how we want to implement the sorting. I don't see any one solution as uniquely and obviously better than all others. The problem is, for reasons I hope are obvious, even worse when a list mixes scripts. As a frequent and frustrating real life example, how should I sort a mixed Russian/English bibliography that cites both English and Russian publications by a single author whose name begins with "V"? It makes sense to separate the scripts, but it also makes sense to keep all works by a single author in the same place. (It should be noted that a 1990 Ukrainian orthographic manual proposes reordering the Ukrainian alphabet to conform to Russian and other languages, so that the soft sign will no longer follow <ja>. How comprehensively this is applied in practice remains to be determined. Meanwhile, the problem is nonetheless real and general, viz. the similar examples from Latin-alphabet orthographies.) >Ukrain, say, use characters of both Cyrillic and Latin scripts, etc. ??? What Latin-script letters does Ukrainian use? --David -- -- Professor David J. Birnbaum djbpitt+@pitt.edu [Internet] The Royal York Apartments, #802 djbpitt@pittvms [Bitnet] 3955 Bigelow Boulevard voice: 1-412-687-4653 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 USA fax: 1-412-624-9714
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!spool.mu.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!gatech!pitt.edu!djbpitt From: djbpitt+@pitt.edu (David J Birnbaum) Newsgroups: comp.std.internat Subject: Ukraine: Language tagging Message-ID: <1531@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 8 Jan 93 13:16:17 GMT References: <1iddeeINN58g@rodan.UU.NET> <TT.93Jan7085019@tarzan.jyu.fi> <1ii6bkINNf6c@rodan.UU.NET> Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 47