🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Article View: comp.std.unix
Article #187

Re: 8859 vs. 646

#187
From: Ruediger Helsch
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 1990 13:52
33 lines
2421 bytes
From: uunet!relay.EU.net!ramz!ruediger (Ruediger Helsch)

In article <579@longway.TIC.COM> std-unix@uunet.uu.net writes:
>From: Donn Terry <uunet!hpfcrn.fc.hp.com!donn>
>The problem is that reality impinges on the ideal world.  In particular
>there are LOTS of 646 terminals out there.  And, as the European
>participants note, they aren't going to get replaced with 8859 ones
>for on the order of 10 years.  (646 also is still a lowest common
>denominator: as I understand it, sendmail can't handle 8-bit (if
>I'm wrong, I apologize, but you get my point)).

IMHO that's just not true any more. A great part of the common terminals in
germany are of the VT220 style, and though they are not 8859 compatible,
they are close enough for many purposes. 8859 and DEC multinational character
set differ mainly in the special characters section. For german letters there
is no difference between the two, same for most european letters. When we
are looking for terminals, we don't consider those 7 bit oldies.
For PCs under some Unix variants you can map characters on output to the
screen. E. g. under Xenix we work with 8859 internally and map them to the
IBM-PC character set on output. Works great!

More difficult is input of national characters. Most german keyboards miss
those braces and brackets that UNIX and C depend on, so we prefer using an
american keyboard and need the ALT-key to input national letters. We would
certainly prefer to buy keyboards with four additional keys if they existed.

Most problems stem from uncooperative software: Ultrix shell and C shell are
mot 8 bit clean, many communications programs mask the eighth bit, and standard
TeX does't allow for input of eight bit characters (our patched version does).
Hands up for System V, they are miles ahead of BSD in respect to 8 bit
handling.

Volume-Number: Volume 19, Number 58
Technical Details
Message-ID: <628@longway.TIC.COM>
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!longway!std-unix
References: <579@longway.TIC.COM>

Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!longway!std-unix
From: ruediger@ramz.uucp (Ruediger Helsch)
Newsgroups: comp.std.unix
Subject: Re: 8859 vs. 646
Summary: They exist today!
Message-ID: <628@longway.TIC.COM>
Date: 6 Apr 90 13:52:16 GMT
References: <579@longway.TIC.COM>
Sender: std-unix@longway.TIC.COM
Reply-To: ruediger@ramz.uucp (Ruediger Helsch)
Organization: TU Braunschweig Mechanikzentrum, Germany
Lines: 33
Approved: jsq@longway.tic.com (Moderator, John S. Quarterman)