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>Surely there must be a way to either use or make an accellerator
>for the CD32's expansion slot

It's surely _possible_, but, at present, there is no way to accelerate
performance on a CD32 except through the use of fast RAM (which can speed
things up by a factor of about 2.5). Some third parties have explored  
030/040 add-ons or replacement accelerators, but I'm not certain where
these efforts stand, given Escom's at best ambivalent attitude toward the
machine and the considerable slowdown in the CD32 software market.

>Has anyone heard of or know of a way to make an adapter
>to use A1200 accellerators on the CD32's expansion slot.
>Surely there must be a way to either use or make an accellerator
>for the CD32's expansion slot. Would be great to have an A1200
>with CD-ROM ala a CD32/SX1 setup as I have.
>                                                 James Vigliotti
>                                                 slider@ccnet.com


        I've heard of a CD32 tower with expansion slots project by a german
company, if I find back the address, I will send it over...
        On the pics I've seen it looks nice and fits under the CD32 turning it
into a medium sized tower...

        With this you can use most A1200 cards among which Accelerator Cards

L8r!

>
>>Surely there must be a way to either use or make an accellerator
>>for the CD32's expansion slot

>It's surely _possible_, but, at present, there is no way to accelerate
>performance on a CD32 except through the use of fast RAM (which can speed
>things up by a factor of about 2.5). Some third parties have explored
>030/040 add-ons or replacement accelerators, but I'm not certain where
>these efforts stand, given Escom's at best ambivalent attitude toward the
>machine and the considerable slowdown in the CD32 software market.

It is definetly possible to accelerate a CD32.The pin arrangement from what
I've heard is almost identical to the A1200.The main problem is there is no
real market for a CD32 accelerator.FWIW imagine an 060 CD32!

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In <1381.6657T520T1521@world.net> paulmbto@world.net (Paul Morabito)
writes: 
>
>>>Surely there must be a way to either use or make an accellerator
>>>for the CD32's expansion slot
>
>>It's surely _possible_, but, at present, there is no way to
accelerate
>>performance on a CD32 except through the use of fast RAM (which can
speed
>>things up by a factor of about 2.5). Some third parties have explored
>>030/040 add-ons or replacement accelerators, but I'm not certain
where
>>these efforts stand, given Escom's at best ambivalent attitude toward
the
>>machine and the considerable slowdown in the CD32 software market.
>
>It is definetly possible to accelerate a CD32.The pin arrangement from
what
>I've heard is almost identical to the A1200.The main problem is there
is no
>real market for a CD32 accelerator.FWIW imagine an 060 CD32!
>

-- I have an '030 design accelerator Design for the CD32.  I have not
built it for a variety of reasons....  It is based on the M1230XA,
which I also did.... In all praticality... how many people would want
such a thing?

It would have to realistically be more than 250-500+ to even think
about it.... and what features would people want?  Is an '40 type
solution *that much* better?  

Jerry Robinson

P.S. I also did the SX-1 & own the copyright for that product.

>-- I have an '030 design accelerator Design for the CD32.  I have not
>built it for a variety of reasons....  It is based on the M1230XA,
>which I also did.... In all praticality... how many people would want
>such a thing?

 I would, Escom charges to much for the dated A1200, so I got a CD32
from this newsgroup with ten games and will expand it.


>It would have to realistically be more than 250-500+ to even think
>about it.... and what features would people want?  Is an '40 type
>solution *that much* better?  


I would gladly pay $250 or more for a box like the SX-1 with an
accelerator or with a socket for a fast 030 that the user could
install. Orsome kind of sx32 with an accleleartor built in. I think the
best route would be to marry the two. A small external sx1 with a fast
030 and FMV slot,with all the SX-1 features. It'd probably be
expensive, but still cheaper tan buyin a bare bones A1200 from E$COM:)
and you have a CDrom drvie to boot!

>>real market for a CD32 accelerator.FWIW imagine an 060 CD32!
>>

>-- I have an '030 design accelerator Design for the CD32.  I have not
>built it for a variety of reasons....  It is based on the M1230XA,
>which I also did.... In all praticality... how many people would want
>such a thing?

>It would have to realistically be more than 250-500+ to even think
>about it.... and what features would people want?  Is an '40 type
>solution *that much* better?

>Jerry Robinson

>P.S. I also did the SX-1 & own the copyright for that product.


I would rush out and buy an 030 or 040, what the heck, even an 060
accelerator for my trusty CD32/SX-1 if there was one available!!!
I´ve been waiting for it to happen a long time now. So, I think you
could easily sell 1000 accelerators if there was such available.

-Jan Karjalainen

Jerry M. Robinson (dvideo@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: -- I have an '030 design accelerator Design for the CD32.  I have not
: built it for a variety of reasons....  It is based on the M1230XA,
: which I also did.... In all praticality... how many people would want
: such a thing?

: It would have to realistically be more than 250-500+ to even think
: about it.... and what features would people want?  Is an '40 type
: solution *that much* better?  

: P.S. I also did the SX-1 & own the copyright for that product.

I would like to see an expansion and accelerator that would fit inside the 
CD32. Also I would like it to have a SCSI2 interface so I could hook a 
Zip drive to it. IDE's ok but it's not flexible enough.

Manuel Jesus Jr.  (mjesus@ix.netcom.com) said:
>>-- I have an '030 design accelerator Design for the CD32.  I have not
>>built it for a variety of reasons....  It is based on the M1230XA,
>>which I also did.... In all praticality... how many people would want
>>such a thing?

> I would, Escom charges to much for the dated A1200, so I got a CD32
>from this newsgroup with ten games and will expand it.

Mine is expanded as much as is possible *currently*  :)

>>It would have to realistically be more than 250-500+ to even think
>>about it.... and what features would people want?  Is an '40 type
>>solution *that much* better?

>I would gladly pay $250 or more for a box like the SX-1 with an
>accelerator or with a socket for a fast 030 that the user could
>install. Orsome kind of sx32 with an accleleartor built in. I think the

Wait for the SX32 Pro (mid year, hopefully - accelerator option!!)

>best route would be to marry the two. A small external sx1 with a fast
>030 and FMV slot,with all the SX-1 features. It'd probably be

External boxes suck.  The SX32 Pro will have a little bubble on top of the
CD32 which will house the accelerator hardware (thus keeping the same
footprint, and staying portable).

>expensive, but still cheaper tan buyin a bare bones A1200 from E$COM:)
>and you have a CDrom drvie to boot!

They're way too slow right now...!  :)

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>> I would, Escom charges to much for the dated A1200, so I got a CD32
>>from this newsgroup with ten games and will expand it.
>
>Mine is expanded as much as is possible *currently*  :)
>
 What expansion system are you using, and where did you get it, I'm in
the US and can only get the SX-1. I'd really like something with an
accelerator option. Also what problem are there if any with these
expansion boxes. I had to put a cooling fan in my CD32 cause it kept
overheating, refusing to play CD audio.


External boxes suck.  The SX32 Pro will have a little bubble on top of
the
>CD32 which will house the accelerator hardware (thus keeping the same
>footprint, and staying portable).

 Until, ATech enhance the CD32 or release the Amiga walker with CDROM
capability, I guess SX32's and the like are our only options :(

                                            Thanks,
                                                   MJesus

Manuel Jesus Jr.  (mjesus@ix.netcom.com) said:
>>> I would, Escom charges to much for the dated A1200, so I got a CD32
>>>from this newsgroup with ten games and will expand it.
>>
>>Mine is expanded as much as is possible *currently*  :)
>>
> What expansion system are you using, and where did you get it, I'm in
>the US and can only get the SX-1. I'd really like something with an
>accelerator option. Also what problem are there if any with these
>expansion boxes. I had to put a cooling fan in my CD32 cause it kept
>overheating, refusing to play CD audio.

I've got an SX32, which I got from Eyetech in the UK.  Great unit, far better
than the SX-1 IMHO.  I'm using it right now while the 2000 is getting a CIA
replaced (damn Parnet!).

My CD32 is running a 200Mb 2.5" HD and a double sided 8Mb SIMM with a standard
CD32 power supply, with no troubles.  Gets warm, though.. ;)

If you want my review of this bit of kit (anybody) just email me, and I'll
send it as soon as my 2000 is returned to me (a few days, I'd hope!).


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Jan Karjalainen (jan.karjalainen@mailbox.swipnet.se) said:
>>>real market for a CD32 accelerator.FWIW imagine an 060 CD32!

>>It would have to realistically be more than 250-500+ to even think
>>about it.... and what features would people want?  Is an '40 type
>>solution *that much* better?

>I would rush out and buy an 030 or 040, what the heck, even an 060
>accelerator for my trusty CD32/SX-1 if there was one available!!!
>I´ve been waiting for it to happen a long time now. So, I think you
>could easily sell 1000 accelerators if there was such available.

I will be buying a 50Mhz 030 for my CD32 when it's available.  Really, though,
040s and 060s are a bit of a waste as AGA holds them back so much, and
nobody codes anything that needs the power.  I mean, AB3D II will be fine
with a 50Mhz 030, so why go the extra expense?  For the money you'd pay for
an 060 accelerator, you could buy a whole Pentium system to do your number
crunching on, leaving the Amiga for fun.  That's how I'll probably do it..
;0


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Disclaimer:  The real Paul is out to lunch; this is an automated response.

Even better, Paul, post your review to comp.sys.amiga.reviews (send
to the moderator, he'll post it).
 
Stan Anderson

I
>I would like to see an expansion and accelerator that would fit inside
the 
>CD32. Also I would like it to have a SCSI2 interface so I could hook a

>Zip drive to it. IDE's ok but it's not flexible enough.

-- You also get back to posts issue & which ones to select....   These
items are all *big*... so which ones to leave out....  If you can
*lose* the FMV, then there are a lot of things that can be done....

Jerry Robinson...

The SX-1 was just supposed to bridge the gap & allow people to run
their software... not solve *all* of the problems....  For a while, it
did....

--jr

Jerry M. Robinson (dvideo@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: -- You also get back to posts issue & which ones to select....   These
: items are all *big*... so which ones to leave out....  If you can
: *lose* the FMV, then there are a lot of things that can be done....

I have no use for the FMV module. DVD is coming this year and the CD32 + 
FMV can't access DVD CDs. There is plenty of room inside the CD32 to 
fit another processor, SCSI chip and other items. 

In article <4j3pl7$775@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, "Manuel Jesus Jr."
<mjesus@ix.netcom.com> writes
>>-- I have an '030 design accelerator Design for the CD32.  I have not
>>built it for a variety of reasons....  It is based on the M1230XA,
>>which I also did.... In all praticality... how many people would want
>>such a thing?
Not sure if I would, if it expanded it to have Zorro III slots as well
then YES YES YES...
>It would have to realistically be more than 250-500+ to even think
>>about it.... and what features would people want?  Is an '40 type
>>solution *that much* better? 
>
Yes a 40/60 socket is essential, as I allready have an A1200 Blizzard
1230III 50mhz,I soon realised that this is no way near fast enough.
Also it would be best just to leave a socket for a 40/60 free, so the
user can just plug it in when he/she can afford it rather than charge
extremly high prices.

Why not change your mind and build an A1200 Zorro III slot expander or
even better do both.


-- 
Martin Naylor

AMIGA A1200/50mhz/FPU/>1.5GB HD space/Compaq 151FS(DBLPAL)
CD32 Gathering a lot of dust.

 Hi,
    I recently spoke with the folks at BCI(Better Concepts Inc in New
York), who said they'll soon be checking out a SX32 unit from the
manufacturer, If BCI likes it then they'll sell them here in the U.S.
Is there any us dealer out there that sells them???
 
                                                Thanks,
                                                        MJesus

Chris Naylor (chris@naylor1.demon.co.uk) said:

>>>-- I have an '030 design accelerator Design for the CD32.  I have not
>>>built it for a variety of reasons....  It is based on the M1230XA,
>>>which I also did.... In all praticality... how many people would want
>>>such a thing?
>Not sure if I would, if it expanded it to have Zorro III slots as well
>then YES YES YES...

Most everybody with an SX-1/SX32 would be happy to buy any accelerator
solution.

>>It would have to realistically be more than 250-500+ to even think
>>>about it.... and what features would people want?  Is an '40 type
>>>solution *that much* better?
>>
>Yes a 40/60 socket is essential, as I allready have an A1200 Blizzard
>1230III 50mhz,I soon realised that this is no way near fast enough.
>Also it would be best just to leave a socket for a 40/60 free, so the
>user can just plug it in when he/she can afford it rather than charge
>extremly high prices.

Unfortunately, plugging in an 040/060 is practically impossible to do with an
030 board.  Look at the Commodore attempt at using an 040 with 030 memory
access.  Slowww!  My GVP 040 board in my 2000 has HEAPS of chips to keep the
memory access at 040 speed.. :)


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>Jerry M. Robinson (dvideo@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

>: -- You also get back to posts issue & which ones to select....   These
>: items are all *big*... so which ones to leave out....  If you can
>: *lose* the FMV, then there are a lot of things that can be done....

>I have no use for the FMV module. DVD is coming this year and the CD32 +
>FMV can't access DVD CDs. There is plenty of room inside the CD32 to
>fit another processor, SCSI chip and other items.

Reply:
How about a 3D engine, a Geometry engine, a Texture engine, JPEG decoder, &
maybe a DSP. Maybey then we can get some really serious games done.

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