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Mr. Pink wrote this in comp.sys.amiga.graphics:

>> A little while ago my father bought a Pentium 60 and was told that this
>> was an awesome machine... Now the machine is about as awesome as my 6 speed
>> bike
>> :)
>>
>Heh! Precisely. This can be linked to the Amiga (hello mr Amiga hating type
>person
>;).... How many models of PC came and went in the lifetime of the 500 (which
>we happen to have two of which at home, aswell as my 4k....)

Quite a number... :) I'm actually sorry that I sold my old 500. But I still
have my C64! :)

>As for the argument of the Amiga being a heap of @#*^, especially when it
>comes to DOOM clones etc etc, lets just ask ourselves a few questions.
>Where did other games classics such as Lemmings, Populous etc Originate?

Hm... Gee, I give up... :)

>The amiga wasn't it?

>Well **** me sideways, so it was...

Oh yeah! That's right! Remarkable isn't it?

>and the PC
>conversions just couldnt do the gfx and sfx justice even then. (We won't
>mention the megadrive versions
>- wot no mouse????!!! ;)

:)


>On a more serious level, lets go back a few years (bizarre Waynes world
>swirly effect thing....)

xtreeeeme close up!!!

>my 386 include a SoundCard / Chip?  PCS: No, Sorry.  Me: The Amigas custom
>architecture does, doesn't it?  PCS: Yes.
>(well, you get the idea....)
>Now, in that little 'conversation', I mentioned that dirty word to PC owners
>- multitasking. Could I just take this opportunity to congratulate them on
>the arrival of Win 95. (Ignoring OS2 - it just doesnt seem to have been given
>the support it deserved)......

How could it? The lord and emperor Gates didn't support it :)

>"Windows 95 will make it possible for you to do what you do faster, and more
>fun" It says (or something like it) at the start of the installation. More
>fun? Please! .... Can you imagine sitting at work with your boss behind you
>as you explain the Pros of Win 95 - "its plug and play, making things more
>fun, and games are quicker too...." He's sure to be impressed. Anyway, back
>to the point.

:)

>Windows 95 multitasks. Sort of. It timeslices in much the same way as the
>Amiga has for the past 8 years or so.

*When* you run 32 bit programs...

>Win 95 system requirements: at least a 486sx 33 (?) (DX2 66+ recommended),
>with 4mb ram
>(8mb+ recommended), and 50mbHD space (?).

I've run Win95 on 486 DX 33 with 8 Mb RAM... It was hell on earth!

>Amiga workbench requirements: An amiga.

Yepp. Amiga 1200, 2 Mb RAM, 80 Mb HD.

>So, you buy your 486sx33 4mb PC for about the same price as an A1200. Your
>A1200 is all set to go, Everything is on its (admittedly small) HD. Your PC
>sits their waiting for you to go out and buy Win 95. Another 80 quid or so.
>Yay, we are multitasking. Not as quickly as the A1200 tho. Oh well, lets buy
>some more RAM. Apparently that makes it faster. Cool, another 100 quid spent.
>Things have improved, but not by much. Lets see what we can do. A new
>processsor you say? Ooooh, lets go pentium. P60 good enough? yeah! .......

Oh dear. Have we spent a little sum of dosh, eh?

>Oh the subject of Win 95, a couple of points. Plug and Play. HAven't amigas
>had basically the same thing for years?

Sence the arrivel of Zorro we have had full Plug and Play.
And the Plug and Play on the PC's are more of a Plug and Pray if you ask me :)

>Take the example:
>I put a second HD in my machine. Plug in, switch on. Machine sits there. For
>a whole 5 seconds. Boots, and I go to partition the new drive, at which point
>it tells me 'drives have been added / removed from the system' etc. Ok, so it
>wasnt sure if something had been added or removed. Win 95's plug and play
>requires that you specifically specify the new device,  or let it spend 20
>mins or so looking for it (which a m8 of mine did.... it couldnt find his new
>HD......)

:) Cool. As I said above...

>working my ass off' Does it amuse you at all that while it is booting, it is
>totally free to work, until anything useful like the start button appears, at
>which point it switches to totally busy? :)

Well, when I used it it was almost busy all the time.. :)

>I think by now my point is clear. The PC is a better machine than the Amiga.
>I have no doubt about it, despite being proud of my A4K 030. Its just a shame
>that PC owners a) refuse to admit that what 95 does, the Amiga has done for
>years, a whole lot better, at a fraction of the requirements / cost.  b) Ok
>DOOM was, and still is bloody brilliant (despite me being crap at it!). Part
>of DOOM's success was it being released as PD. People love saving money dont
>ya know.

Yes. The PC(The machine you sit and watch) is good enough.
*BUT* ,the operatingsystem stinks! No questions asked.

But kind of heaven is a PC(or RISC) machine with a highly developed
Workbench 4.0 running it. ahhh.....

>prepared to fork out several hundred pounds for a single database. For
>several hundred pounds Amiga owners get no end of packages. Ok, they arent as
>good, but they do their job. Very few Amiga titles cost over 100 pounds. Very
>few PC titles cost less than 100 pounds! (Not talking games here)

:) Just take Wordworth as an example. It cost $100 and is in my opinion just
as good or better than word. I haven't got the exact price on Word, *but* I do
believe that it costs a *little* more than $100... :)

>The Amiga CD ROM scene is still quite new. Their is no argument to be made
>here - we will just have to see if it gets the support it deserves / needs.
>All I'll say on that little matter is that on the off chance that there is
>some rep of an Amiga softy house out there - remember, its not just CD32
>owners that can play games on CD now...

Right. Maybe we should set the minimummachine on all games to the following :

A4000/040
10 Mb RAM
CDROM 2x
gfx card (2 Mb or more)
sfx card (16 bit)

I wonder what kind of games would apear then... :)


>There. On that note, I'll finish, before I stray from the point even more.
>But Kjell Gudim is right. PC technology moves on sooooo fast.

Thank you :)

>My M8s P60 is out of date now too - before the warranty has even expired! But
>my A4000/030>is still keeping up, despite being almost 3 years old.

Yep! So does mine and I'll keep it a few more years, thank you.

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