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In article <2195.6657T1106T2518@cris.com> (CS Wagner) writes:
> 
> I am not fond of people who post 'RTFM' all the time. But, I'm also not fond
> of people who incorrectly install a program and blame the author for stupid
> mistakes that could have been overcome by simply taking a couple minutes and
> scanning through the docs and checking out the Home Page. If you even want to
> go further, you can check The Amiga Internet Guide for installation
> techniques. That's what it is there for.
> 
> And yes, I do know this will get flamed, but I've kept my mouth shut too long.
 
Not from here!  Well said sir, and it needed saying!!! 

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On or about 25-Mar-96 04:30:05 CS Wagner typed the following words about "AWeb
and IBrowse".  My reply is thus...

 Hi CS,


 CW> Something has been bothering me lately. Every day there's about 50 posts
 CW> in this newsgroup and half are dedicated to spreading news about how bad
 CW> two fine programs are. These two programs, AWeb and IBrowse, are blamed
 CW> for crash after crash. This seems strange to me. Maybe it's because my
 CW> work on The Amiga Internet Guide requires that I read every program doc
 CW> in detail before using the programs. Maybe it's because I happen to be
 CW> using OS3.1 on an AGA system. But, I rarely have either program crash.
 CW> When they do, I know why - it's Microsoft's fault. They crash while
 CW> trying to process Microsoft's bastard versions of GIFs and JPEGs. Even
 CW> then, it isn't the programs that crash. It's the datatypes.

 CW> Then I see things like the running complaint about the AWeb 'divide by 0'
 CW> guru. If a program crashes immediately, wouldn't that cause even one
 CW> person to read the doc and notice that there is a home page for the
 CW> program. Amazingly, there's a bug fix right there on the home page - the
 CW> last place anyone would look, I guess.

 CW> These programs do not crash constantly when installed and set up
 CW> according to all information the authors make easily available. For
 CW> instance, IBrowse's authors advise you turn off the internal picture
 CW> decoder and use the datatypes. Why does it then surprise people when the
 CW> internet picture decoder crashes?

 CW> I am not fond of people who post 'RTFM' all the time. But, I'm also not
 CW> fond of people who incorrectly install a program and blame the author for
 CW> stupid mistakes that could have been overcome by simply taking a couple
 CW> minutes and scanning through the docs and checking out the Home Page. If
 CW> you even want to go further, you can check The Amiga Internet Guide for
 CW> installation techniques. That's what it is there for.

 CW> And yes, I do know this will get flamed, but I've kept my mouth shut too
 CW> long.

Very well said. IBrowse and AWeb work fine for me also. Very seldom crash.

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>In a message on 24-Mar-96 23:30:05, CS Wagner wrote:

>> Then I see things like the running complaint about the AWeb 'divide by 0'
>> guru. If a program crashes immediately, wouldn't that cause even one person
>> to read the doc and notice that there is a home page for the program.
>> Amazingly, there's a bug fix right there on the home page - the last place
>> anyone would look, I guess.

>I guess it is, since you need to get Aweb running before you can read the
>docs easily.  All right, you _can_ read it with an editor, but it's a
>chore and much more difficult to absorb that way.  One doesn't really
>expect to see a bug-fix in a guide, anyway!  The right place for this is a
>separate "Readme.first" file.

What I'd like ?? ;-) Just do the Doc files in ASCII, keep it simple.
Re: HTML, Fortunately 'htmless.lha text/misc' can/does work well.
Re: PS, Cr**, Got HGWPost v7 (I think) installed and can view ps gfx
    via MultiView, but text.....My bust not yet getting FW v4.01 to
    handle ps text files well.

Could make it better by just using 'ASCII or Amigaguide'

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CS Wagner (kainaw@cris.com) wrote:
: Something has been bothering me lately. Every day there's about 50 posts in
: this newsgroup and half are dedicated to spreading news about how bad two fine
: programs are. These two programs, AWeb and IBrowse, are blamed for crash
: after crash. This seems strange to me. Maybe it's because my work on The Amiga
: Internet Guide requires that I read every program doc in detail before using
: the programs. Maybe it's because I happen to be using OS3.1 on an AGA system.
: But, I rarely have either program crash. When they do, I know why - it's
: Microsoft's fault. They crash while trying to process Microsoft's bastard
: versions of GIFs and JPEGs. Even then, it isn't the programs that crash. It's
: the datatypes.

: Then I see things like the running complaint about the AWeb 'divide by 0'
: guru. If a program crashes immediately, wouldn't that cause even one person to
: read the doc and notice that there is a home page for the program. Amazingly,
: there's a bug fix right there on the home page - the last place anyone would
: look, I guess.

: These programs do not crash constantly when installed and set up according to
: all information the authors make easily available. For instance, IBrowse's
: authors advise you turn off the internal picture decoder and use the
: datatypes. Why does it then surprise people when the internet picture decoder
: crashes?

: I am not fond of people who post 'RTFM' all the time. But, I'm also not fond
: of people who incorrectly install a program and blame the author for stupid
: mistakes that could have been overcome by simply taking a couple minutes and
: scanning through the docs and checking out the Home Page. If you even want to
: go further, you can check The Amiga Internet Guide for installation
: techniques. That's what it is there for.

: And yes, I do know this will get flamed, but I've kept my mouth shut too long.

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I too feel the same.  It is not only the users(?) of Ibrowse and Aweb, 
but many of the other find programs out there.  This contant complaining 
is not only true of Amiga users, but it is true of other platforms too.  
Just my 2 cents


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John Marchant (gnome@mag-net.co.uk) wrote:


> ..that are misleading or confusing.  For me, a prime example of confusing
> and baffling docs is Amosaic.  And an example of a very good amigaguide is
> Aweb.

Where the heck did you get an amigaguide for aweb? All i got was some 
pathetic html files....

On Sat, 13 Apr 96, Per Jacobsen typed the following line(s):

> Where the heck did you get an amigaguide for aweb? All i got was some
> pathetic html files....

You apparently did noyt loke very close at the Aminet dir you
found Aweb in. As there is a file called awebdocsps.lha that
contains the doc in postscript format. And I don't call the
html docs pathetic. I kinda like the format as its portable.
Contrary to AmigaGuide.

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 PJ> John Marchant (gnome@mag-net.co.uk) wrote:


>> ..that are misleading or confusing.  For me, a prime example of
>> confusing and baffling docs is Amosaic.  And an example of a very
>> good amigaguide is Aweb.

 PJ> Where the heck did you get an amigaguide for aweb? All i got was
 PJ> some  pathetic html files....

From the same site you got Aweb from. They're in postscript format,
and HWGPost1.7 just made me a truely beautiful copy of the docs.


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>  PJ> John Marchant (gnome@mag-net.co.uk) wrote:


> >> ..that are misleading or confusing.  For me, a prime example of
> >> confusing and baffling docs is Amosaic.  And an example of a very
> >> good amigaguide is Aweb.

>  PJ> Where the heck did you get an amigaguide for aweb? All i got was
>  PJ> some  pathetic html files....

> From the same site you got Aweb from. They're in postscript format,
> and HWGPost1.7 just made me a truely beautiful copy of the docs.

I just wrote a reply to Paul, but it ended up being mailed rather than 
posted. So I'll repeat it here:

*WHY* do you people keep telling me there is a postscript(!) when i ask 
about an amigaguide???

   "Excuse me, i would like to buy a car - Right! Here is a cheese" ??


Or are you trying to tell me HWGPost can generate amigaguide files? Not 
much selling point in saying it's mui free if you have to download i 
don't know what to read the docs.

perjac@inet.uni-c.dk (Per Jacobsen) wrote in comp.sys.amiga.networking

> John Marchant (gnome@mag-net.co.uk) wrote:


>> ..that are misleading or confusing.  For me, a prime example of confusing
>> and baffling docs is Amosaic.  And an example of a very good amigaguide is
>> Aweb.

> Where the heck did you get an amigaguide for aweb? All i got was some
> pathetic html files....

Don't you think, that HTML is the apropriate format for a Web browser
documentation.! What makes you think, that AmigaGuide would be better?

BTW, you can DL a separate doc in PS format from Aminet, if want it printed on
paper.

<tsb> cut here
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Syiad T. Al-Duri <100715.2103@compuserve.com> wrote:
>perjac@inet.uni-c.dk (Per Jacobsen) wrote in comp.sys.amiga.networking

>> John Marchant (gnome@mag-net.co.uk) wrote:
>> Where the heck did you get an amigaguide for aweb? All i got was some
>> pathetic html files....
>Don't you think, that HTML is the apropriate format for a Web browser
>documentation.! What makes you think, that AmigaGuide would be better?

 I thought it was a fine idea -- I got to play around with the program before I
even had full access -- thus when it came to connecting noot only had I played
with it a fair bit, but also read the docs B-).

 Also there are some things an Amigaguide viewer could learn from web browsers
- most notably the visible difference between followed and unfollowed links...

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Member:  Team AMIGA <*> and be drunk with love.

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Ashok Katwala (ashok@enterprise.net) wrote:
: 
: Syiad T. Al-Duri <100715.2103@compuserve.com> wrote:
: >perjac@inet.uni-c.dk (Per Jacobsen) wrote in comp.sys.amiga.networking
: 
: >> John Marchant (gnome@mag-net.co.uk) wrote:
: >> Where the heck did you get an amigaguide for aweb? All i got was some
: >> pathetic html files....

	And this guy wants to use a web browser?
:)
	Thats all its good for, pathetic html files
:)

ROTFL.

:  I thought it was a fine idea -- I got to play around with the program before I
: even had full access -- thus when it came to connecting noot only had I played
: with it a fair bit, but also read the docs B-).

	Gasp! Shock! Its a conspiracy !  :)

	Avoid the conspiracy, use amigaguide :)
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