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On 13 May 1997, Igor Cizmar wrote:

> : WEB. Can the developers for IBROWSE, AWEB and VOYAGER (which
> : seem to be the main three for the amiga) give some feedback on
> : when this capability is likely to appear? IMHO the need for
> : JAVA is becoming urgent.
> 
> AFAIK, developers of IBrowse are working on JAVA support, and even in
> VoyagerNG 2.7 i saw a window which says "cannot open file xxx so cannnot
> execute JavaScript", which means that this file will be in the future.

Isn't JavaScript and JAVA different?  JavaScript being a scripting 
language from Microsoft?

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Philip Chung                                      BSc. Computing Science
p.y.l.chung@newcastle.ac.uk        University of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK
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In <Pine.SOL.3.91-941213.970513141200.9615B-100000@aidan.ncl.ac.uk>, Phil Chung <P.Y.L.Chung@ncl.ac.uk> wrote:
> > AFAIK, developers of IBrowse are working on JAVA support, and even in
> > VoyagerNG 2.7 i saw a window which says "cannot open file xxx so cannnot
> > execute JavaScript", which means that this file will be in the future.
> 
> Isn't JavaScript and JAVA different?  JavaScript being a scripting 
> language from Microsoft?

Yes and no.

Java: byte-compiled language from Sun similar to the UCSD Pascal
	P-systems. An executor for bytecodes can be built into apps so
	that they can be loaded and run dynamically. It is usefull in
	apps other than browsers and as a stand-alone programming
	language. Sort of like ARexx on the Amiga. 

JavaScript (nee LiveScript): A scripting language built into Netscape
	Navigator to allow the author more control over the browser UI.
	It cannot be used outside of a browser. They changed the name
	from LiveScript to either ride the Java hype, or spread FUD in
	the browser market, depending on how kind kind you're feeling.

JScript: IBMs implementation of JavaScript in MSIE.

Another critical difference between Java & J*Script: Java has a public
spec and freely available sources for a sample implementation.
J*Script has a users manual. Java apps can be expected to interoperate
properly.  J*Scripts can't.

	<mike - who isn't stupid enough to leave either enabled in his browsers

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>AFAIK, developers of IBrowse are working on JAVA support, and even in
>VoyagerNG 2.7 i saw a window which says "cannot open file xxx so cannnot
>execute JavaScript", which means that this file will be in the future.

Stefan Burstreom showed me an eraly beta of IBrowse with JavScript support.

They use a javascript.library and is development bye some gues on Omnipresence.

Omniprecense are currentluy working on an JVM (Java Virtual Machine) for the
AMIGA and will be availble for developers of other programs as well.


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Mr John Blyth wrote:
 
> When will a JAVA capable browser for the AMIGA surface? More and
> more pages have JAVA applets buried in them, and many sites are
> investigating JAVA for interactive information flows through the
> WEB. Can the developers for IBROWSE, AWEB and VOYAGER (which
> seem to be the main three for the amiga) give some feedback on
> when this capability is likely to appear? IMHO the need for
> JAVA is becoming urgent.
 
FYI...

Haage & Partner Are Bringing the Power of Java to the Amiga

HAAGE & PARTNER NEWS MAY, 1997 

Code name: "MERAPI" 

Java is gathering momentum in the computer market has raised hopes of a
more open, decentralized, and tolerant software future than the
developments of recent years have led us to expect. For Amiga users, it
has given rise to a demand for participation in this
future--participation that can only be provided by a good Java Virtual
Machine implementation (the software engine that executes programs
created in Java) for our machine. 

To meet this demand, Haage & Partner are developing a Java Virtual
Machine (JVM) implementation under the code name *Merapi*. In our
perception, the Java technology has several attractive features
particularly from the Amiga users' point of view: 

     It will bring in new applications. Dozens upon dozens of companies
in the PC software market have already committed themselves to
delivering applications that can run on any machine that supports Java,
breaking at last the old chains of platform incompatibility. Their new
products will now add value to the Amiga as well as to the more common
platforms. 
     As software availability ceases to be a compelling factor in
deciding on a computer platform, the Amiga's friendliness and ease of
use will prove sufficient reason to choose it over eg. Windows or the
Mac OS if one happens to prefer the Amiga computer. 
     The similarity of design principles and flexibility of Java and the
Amiga OS have great synergetic potential: A good JVM implementation can
make it seem as if Java and the Amiga operating system were designed for
each other from the start. 
     Java complements the Amiga system well. Memory protection and
resource tracking, for instance, are integral parts of the Java
environment. Whereas these are merely a duplication of effort when used
under operating systems that already have such features built in, on the
Amiga they very neatly fill in the blanks that many users see in the
Amiga operating system. 

The Merapi project focuses specifically on bringing these benefits to
the Amiga user base. Apart from the obvious goals of compatibility and
the ability to run Java software fast, which all JVM implementations
strive for, Merapi has more characteristic aims. The main ones are: 

     High quality that developers and users alike can depend on for
robustness, security, and longevity. 
     Making the best possible use of what the Amiga OS has to offer.
Rather than attempting to cram UNIX code into an Amiga mold or imitating
existing PC products, Merapi is designed for the Amiga from the ground
up to give you the best possible match. 
     Letting non-Java software, as well as the user, make the best
possible use of what Java has to offer. The services of the Java
subsystem are made available to external software through an open
interface, so the use of Java software is not limited to eye candy
inside a Web browser window. Java will be no second-class citizen in
your system! 

MERAPI project is done by Jeroen Vermeulen in co-operation with the
Storm team. MERAPI will be integrated into Web browsers like VOYAGER NG,
but it will also be a stand-alone JAVA interpreter with just-in-time
compiler (to speeed it up, JIT) to run JAVA applications like Corel
Office for Java. 

MERAPI will also be integrated into the Storm Development System to
enable programmers to write JAVA applications on the Amiga. A port to
p.OS and PowerUP will be done. 

"MERAPI" project is still under development. Project started in late
1996. Release date is about August 97. 

We will release more information on features and prices in June/July. 

"MERAPI" will be the optimal solution for programmers and end-users. 

HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH, PO Box 80, 61191 Rosbach, Germany
Phone: +49 - 6007 - 930050, Fax: +49 - 6007 - 7543
Email: info@haage-partner.com Intenet:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Haage_Partner/

We develop to PowerUp the Amiga!

Regards,

Rossco
ross@livewire.com.au

In article <5l8fle$71k@silas.cc.monash.edu.au> jblyth@silas.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr John Blyth) writes:
> When will a JAVA capable browser for the AMIGA surface?

AWeb will have Javascript in one of the next versions (not in 3.0 yet).
Java is being worked on by several teams and companies, anybody's guess how
soon a usable implementation is going to be available.

      ...
      _ . Thomas Tavoly
 . _ // . aTmosh@amiga.cistron.nl
 . \X/    http://www.cistron.nl/~ttavoly
 ...  5.1

On Tue, 13 May 1997, Phil Chung wrote:

> > AFAIK, developers of IBrowse are working on JAVA support, and even in
> > VoyagerNG 2.7 i saw a window which says "cannot open file xxx so cannnot
> > execute JavaScript", which means that this file will be in the future.
> 
> Isn't JavaScript and JAVA different?  JavaScript being a scripting 
> language from Microsoft?
JavaScript was "invented" and first implemented by Netscape!

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Jens Kristian Jensen - Certified Amiga addict
6th. semester CS student

On Tue, 13 May 1997, Phil Chung wrote:

> On 13 May 1997, Igor Cizmar wrote:
> 
> > : WEB. Can the developers for IBROWSE, AWEB and VOYAGER (which
> > : seem to be the main three for the amiga) give some feedback on
> > : when this capability is likely to appear? IMHO the need for
> > : JAVA is becoming urgent.
> > 
> > AFAIK, developers of IBrowse are working on JAVA support, and even in
> > VoyagerNG 2.7 i saw a window which says "cannot open file xxx so cannnot
> > execute JavaScript", which means that this file will be in the future.
> 
> Isn't JavaScript and JAVA different?  JavaScript being a scripting 
> language from Microsoft?
> 

yes Javascript and Java are two completely different things.
Javascript has been developed by Netscape and it is mainly used as an 
interprted scripting language into the html file,while there is also the 
server side of Javascript being called Livewire.
Java has been developed from Sun,quite a long time ago,with the main goal 
being to create the most portable language of all.That means the 
applications being written in to be ready to run on many operating systems
as long as they have a "Java Virtual Machine" which translates Java 
bytecode to the machine you are running the programme code.
As language it is very similar to C and C++ but it is still a little bit 
of slow in heavy applications but it is good at small projects ,like 
those on the web.

kind regards
Menis Malaxianakis
visit: www.compulink.gr/amiga


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> Philip Chung                                      BSc. Computing Science
> p.y.l.chung@newcastle.ac.uk        University of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK
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> 
> 
> 

Jens Kristian Jensen wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 13 May 1997, Phil Chung wrote:
> 
> > > AFAIK, developers of IBrowse are working on JAVA support, and even in
> > > VoyagerNG 2.7 i saw a window which says "cannot open file xxx so cannnot
> > > execute JavaScript", which means that this file will be in the future.
> >
> > Isn't JavaScript and JAVA different?  JavaScript being a scripting
> > language from Microsoft?
> JavaScript was "invented" and first implemented by Netscape!

Which makes it funny that, the reason I hate JAVA is because it will
never stop crashing Netscape3.01 :(

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On Thu, 15 May 1997 15:48:14 +0300 in comp.sys.amiga.applications, 
Menelaos Malaxianakis (jenny@compulink.gr) declaimed:

 > Java has been developed from Sun,quite a long time ago,with the main goal 
 > being to create the most portable language of all.That means the 
 > applications being written in to be ready to run on many operating systems
 > as long as they have a "Java Virtual Machine" which translates Java 

	IOW, the return of UCSD P-code system with a hybrid Object/C 
language <G>

	And if that isn't bad enough, there is a toolset to compile Ada 
into Java!

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On Thu, 15 May 1997, Muttley wrote:

> > JavaScript was "invented" and first implemented by Netscape!
> 
> Which makes it funny that, the reason I hate JAVA is because it will
> never stop crashing Netscape3.01 :(

JavaScript and JAVA is different.  JAVA is a programming language derived 
from C++ which was written by Sun Microsystems.  JavaScript is a 
scripting language AFAIK.

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Philip Chung                                      BSc. Computing Science
p.y.l.chung@newcastle.ac.uk        University of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK
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