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In article <15973@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
> Uh, if you're thinking of NeXTs you can actually buy today, they have the
> same speed processor -- a 25MHz 68030.

With all due respect, the A3000UXes I can buy today don't even have that.
I've played with the NeXT on an 040, but haven't seen hide nor hair of Amiga
UNIX. Seriously, you can't make that sort of insinuation about the NeXT
until you start shipping.

> I like the Mach kernel, and I'd say that even if I
> didn't get my degree at CMU.  But the overall NeXT OS environment, which
> includes NeXTStep as well, is awfully slow.

Not from what I've seen. It's got the usual program startup delays that I've
seen on every UNIX GUI, but otherwise is quit as snappy as X or SunView or
whatever.

> Though I've never used it from a real hard disk...

Ah-ha! Well, that would tend to make it seem pretty slow. The new ones don't
even come with an "optical floppy" and it makes a serious difference to the
speed.

> I think one of the main advantages of Amiga UNIX is that it's Standard UNIX.
> You have a zillion '386 machines out there, and if they're not running one
> of the ugly MS operating systems, they're running System V, probably 3.x but
> soon moving to 4.0.

And you think that applications developers are going to keep an A3000UX around
to compile a copy of their code on for the relatively few 68000 ABI machines
out there? If they have a 68000 based machine it'll probably be a Sun: and
SunOS is BSD derived: not System V. In the workstation world BSD is the
standard.  (I personally think BSD sucks, but facts are facts)

The GUI wars are, and remain, a red herring. I'm not going to get into that
here, though.

You guys are gung-ho about it, and I feel happy for you, but would you please
finish 2.0 (or 2.1 or whatever you call it) because I really think it's going
to do a lot more for you.

Speaking of 2.0, I really really dislike the new DisplayBeep (it now flashes
Color 0 into Color 1 instead of inverting the palette), because it makes all
my text windows turn black. My wife finds it particularly distracting. Please
change it back before you burn ROMs. Please.

On the plus side 36.207/36.69 is definitely more robust than what you were
shipping back in August.
-- 
Peter da Silva.   `-_-'
<peter@sugar.hackercorp.com>.