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In article <7100@sugar.hackercorp.com> peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <15973@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
>> Uh, if you're thinking of NeXTs you can actually buy today, they have the
>> same speed processor -- a 25MHz 68030.

>With all due respect, the A3000UXes I can buy today don't even have that.

"A3000UX" is simply a marketing created A3000 UNIX bundle.  It is the same
A3000 you've been able to buy since June, only it comes with 8 Meg of RAM
and an optional 200MB hard disk (100MB standard).  And you get UNIX with it.
At the very moment, no, you can't go to the store and get UNIX, you'd have
to live with the faster AmigaOS for awhile until UNIX ships.

>Not from what I've seen. It's got the usual program startup delays that I've
>seen on every UNIX GUI, but otherwise is quit as snappy as X or SunView or
>whatever.

BYTE this month claims that Amiga UNIX seems faster to them than the NeXT OS
on a cube or A/UX on a Mac.  So it's not only Amiga heads who see this...

>And you think that applications developers are going to keep an A3000UX around
>to compile a copy of their code on for the relatively few 68000 ABI machines
>out there? 

There are few 680x0 based now.  If everyone with a compatible 680x0 machine
bought a compatible ABI UNIX, 680x0 ABI UNIX would be the dominant UNIX.  I
don't expect the installed base of 680x0 ABI UNIX system to remain low, and 
I don't expect everyone who could to run out an buy UNIX as soon as it's
available; they certainly didn't for Mac UNIX.   Reality will be somewhere
in the middle.

>If they have a 68000 based machine it'll probably be a Sun: and SunOS is BSD 
>derived: not System V. 

Old SunOS is BSD derived, sure.  But Sun's no longer supporting software 
upgrades on the 680x0 machines, either, I hear.

>In the workstation world BSD is the standard.  

Maybe the Sun world.  I've been using Apollos for 7 years, and until recently
you couldn't even get UNIX for them.  It's still not the dominant OS on that
platform.  And now, while there's kind of UNIX available within the Domain/OS
system, you have BSD and System V stuff, function calls, etc.  

C= originally went with AT&T System V because it was the business standard for
UNIX.  Now it's very rapidly becoming The Standard, even if it did have to 
suck in some of the BSD features to get there (not all of which, certainly,
are Bad Things).

>You guys are gung-ho about it, and I feel happy for you, but would you please
>finish 2.0 (or 2.1 or whatever you call it) because I really think it's going
>to do a lot more for you.

Well, I got the hardware going for them....

>Peter da Silva.   `-_-'

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