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In article <1990Nov7.101812.41986@cc.usu.edu> slmt9@cc.usu.edu writes:
>
>...What if any programs from the C directory of the workbench disk can I
>put on a disk that contains a piece of software that I intend to sell...

To use any of the files on the Workbench disk you need a license from
Commodore.  Note that the license to use 1.3 (V34) Workbench files is
_NOT_ the same as the license to use 2.0 (V36) Workbench files.

If you wish to obtain either of these licenses, or any other information
on the CATS developer support program, write:

	CATS Admin
	1200 Wilson Drive
	West Chester, PA  19380

or call (215) 431-9180 and ask for Leslie.  Note that these transactions
take time.  There will be some delay between the time you make a request
and the time the request is satisfied, so plan accordingly.

>	Joshua 		SLMT9@cc.usu.edu
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In article <1990Nov7.101812.41986@cc.usu.edu> slmt9@cc.usu.edu writes:
>
>	My question is this. What if any programs from the C directory of the
>workbench disk can I put on a disk that contains a piece of software that I
>intend to sell. If speciual arraingments must be made with Commodore can any
>one out there tell me who to call or what needs to be done?
>

And what about fonts, libraries etc.
Does Commodore have copyright to this, or can I freely copy it when I
release my own program since everybody, who owns an Amiga allready have
these files on their WorkBench disk.

--
      //     Lars Bodin
     //      Department of Mathematics & Computer Science, 
  \\//       University of Aalborg (AUC)
   \/        E-mail: labben@iesd.auc.dk

In article <ggk.658965635@tirith.UUCP> ggk@tirith.UUCP (Gregory Kritsch) writes:
>>And what about fonts, libraries etc.
>>Does Commodore have copyright to this, or can I freely copy it when I
>>release my own program since everybody, who owns an Amiga allready have
>>these files on their WorkBench disk.
>
>Actually, I released a program that was default configured to use
>Courier, Helvetica, and Times 13 fonts.  I have since received many
>requests of the form "can you include your fonts with your releases", or
>"where can I find those fonts?"  It seems that an awful lot of people
>are unaware of Extras1.3:Fonts/.

Maybe you misunderstood me, Gregory...

The situation is: I want to release a program, which should be bootable,
ie. I don't want my program to be started from WorkBench. So I have to
copy some libraries, fonts and command files from the WorkBench/Extra
disks to the disk containing my own program.

My question is: Is it legal to copy the Workbench/Extras files to my
own disk, and then release this disk for commercial use, or do I need
some kind of license from Commodore?

Maybe someone at Commodore could clear this up...

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      //     Lars Bodin
     //      Department of Mathematics & Computer Science, 
  \\//       University of Aalborg (AUC)
   \/        E-mail: labben@iesd.auc.dk

labben@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Bodin) writes:
> ggk@tirith.UUCP (Gregory Kritsch) writes:
>> labben@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Bodin) writes:

>>> And what about fonts, libraries etc. Does Commodore have copyright
>>> to this, or can I freely copy it when I release my own program since
>>> everybody, who owns an Amiga already [has] these files on [his]
>>> WorkBench disk.

>>Actually, I released a program that was default configured to use
>>Courier, Helvetica, and Times 13 fonts.  I have since received many
>>requests of the form "can you include your fonts with your releases", or
>>"where can I find those fonts?"  It seems that an awful lot of people
>>are unaware of Extras1.3:Fonts/.

>Maybe you misunderstood me, Gregory...

>The situation is: I want to release a program, which should be bootable,
>ie. I don't want my program to be started from WorkBench. So I have to
>copy some libraries, fonts and command files from the WorkBench/Extra
>disks to the disk containing my own program.

>My question is: Is it legal to copy the Workbench/Extras files to my
>own disk, and then release this disk for commercial use, or do I need
>some kind of license from Commodore?

>Maybe someone at Commodore could clear this up...

Maybe, but you can easily finesse the problem by creating a disk that
includes no Commodore files, but does contain a script (perhaps run
from workbench via IconX) that builds the bootable disk onto a blank
formatted floppy supplied by the user, using material from your disk,
the user's Workbench original, and the user's Extras original.  This
gets you out of the legal loop quite nicely, since, as noted above,
all your customers already have these disks, and you are not distributing
any Commodore-owned materials.  It also provides a readily repeatable
way for your user to create a working disk, so your customers aren't
forced to use their original disks to use your program.  Just put
"requires a user supplied blank formatted disk" on the packaging, and
you should be all set.

Now your customer can, following your directions, boot his/her system
under workbench, build the bootable disk from your original, then
reboot from your disk to be using the environment you want.

Much nicer, of course, to just make your program multitask under the
normal workbench, but perhaps there is some good reason, providing extra
utility to the customer, that you would not want that.

Kent, the man from xanth.
<xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us>

In article <1990Nov18.124357.15254@iesd.auc.dk> labben@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Bodin) writes:
>In article <1990Nov7.101812.41986@cc.usu.edu> slmt9@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>
>>	My question is this. What if any programs from the C directory of the
>>workbench disk can I put on a disk that contains a piece of software that I
>>intend to sell. If speciual arraingments must be made with Commodore can any
>>one out there tell me who to call or what needs to be done?
>
>And what about fonts, libraries etc.
>Does Commodore have copyright to this, or can I freely copy it when I
>release my own program since everybody, who owns an Amiga allready have
>these files on their WorkBench disk.

You must license when ANY file of the Workbench or Extras disk or
even only the original bootblock appears on your floppy! There are
special (even harder) cases with software that is not Commodore-
owned, but licensed again from 3rd parties (fonts on Extras, AmigaBasic).
For them, I think, any licensing is very difficult.

-- 
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Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk

In article <1990Nov19.122804.11210@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes:
>
>>My question is: Is it legal to copy the Workbench/Extras files to my
>>own disk, and then release this disk for commercial use, or do I need
>>some kind of license from Commodore?
>
>Maybe, but you can easily finesse the problem by creating a disk that
>includes no Commodore files, but does contain a script (perhaps run
>from workbench via IconX) that builds the bootable disk onto a blank
>formatted floppy supplied by the user, using material from your disk,
>the user's Workbench original, and the user's Extras original.

You're completely right, Kent.

But it's not so easy to make up a foolproof script. I experienced
this when I wanted to release a PD program that needed some stuff
from WB AND the Extras disk. Well, finally it worked, but I recommend
firmly that this script has to be tested thoroughly and that the
worst case condition has to be assumed: 512 K RAM, only 1 floppy
drive. Typically you will have to prompt the user for inserting a
source disk (WB), then copy some of its files into RAM:, then
prompting the user for his own disk (perhaps formatting and
Installing it), copying the files to his disk, and finally (VERY
important!) deleting those files from RAM: again to free the   
memory. This has to be done perhaps several times, depending on
the size of your application and the volume of files you have to
gather from other diskettes.

For prompting, use the Ask command. To access ANY diskette, ALWAYS
use its volume name for identification, DO NOT refer to df0:!

(Well, and the next difficulty will arise when we have 1.3 and 2.0
Workbenches out there mixed and the script has to know about
subtle differences about some files no more existing in c directory
and such more...)



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Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk

labben@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Bodin) writes:
>In article <1990Nov7.101812.41986@cc.usu.edu> slmt9@cc.usu.edu writes:
>And what about fonts, libraries etc.
>Does Commodore have copyright to this, or can I freely copy it when I
>release my own program since everybody, who owns an Amiga allready have
>these files on their WorkBench disk.

Actually, I released a program that was default configured to use
Courier, Helvetica, and Times 13 fonts.  I have since received many
requests of the form "can you include your fonts with your releases", or
"where can I find those fonts?"  It seems that an awful lot of people
are unaware of Extras1.3:Fonts/.

Also, dpn't forget that people with WB 1.2 or lower don't have these
three particular fonts (they also happen to be the only ones that look
decent on an interlace screen).

>      //     Lars Bodin
>     //      Department of Mathematics & Computer Science, 
>  \\//       University of Aalborg (AUC)
>   \/        E-mail: labben@iesd.auc.dk
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