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Welcome to comp.sys.atari.st!

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From: Steven D Ourada
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 10:28
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Archive-name: csas-faq/part1


Welcome to comp.sys.atari.st! Please read this FAQ before posting a question
to comp.sys.atari.st, since a lot of common questions are answered here.

Thanks to David Paschall-Zimbel	(davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu) for 
compiling most of this FAQ.


The following is an index of the questions answered in this part of the FAQ.
For easy access to a particular question, search for the tag surrounded by
colons (i. e. :GNU:). Questions marked with '*' are new or changed.


 WEL      Welcome to comp.sys.atari.st
 EMILY    Hints from Emily Postnews
 BOOKS    What books are available for the Atari ST?
 DEV      How do I become a developer for the Atari ST?
 ERR      What does TOS ERROR nn mean?
 FREE     What is Free-Net and how can I get access?
 MAGS     What magazines are available for the Atari ST?
 TIPS     TIPS AND HINTS from other users
 ZNET     Where can I get copies of ZNET?
 EXPLOR   Where can I get copies of Atari Explorer Online?
 PD       Where can I get Public Domain/Shareware software?
 MAIL     E-Mail file servers
 FTP      Anonymous FTP servers
 COMP     Atari-related companies
 IAAD     Independent Atari Developers
 CREDIT   Who has contributed to the FAQ?



:WEL:
Welcome to comp.sys.atari.st
============================

This newsgroup is devoted to discussion about 16 and 32 bit Atari micros.  At
present that includes the Atari 520ST, 1040ST, Mega ST, STe, STacy, Mega STe,
and the Atari TT. There are also emulators for the Apple Macintosh and IBM
PC/XT/AT available.

Most of the people who read this newsgroup are technically oriented.
The newsgroup serves as a resource for Atari users ... feel free to
contribute to the discussions.

Associated newsgroups include:

	comp.binaries.atari.st	! uuencoded binary programs
	comp.sys.atari.st.tech  ! technical programming/hardware topics
	comp.sources.atari.st   ! uuencoded/shar sources


:EMILY:
Hints from Emily Postnews
=========================

(Thanks to John Henders (jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca) for this bit of
 _humor_.)

   Emily Postnews Visits comp.sys.atari.st

   ( Due to popular demand, (well at least one persone asked anyways),
Emily has taken time out of her busy schedule to answer a few commonly 
asked questions specific to c.s.a.st. )

   Dear Emily.
      Some Amiga user is raving on c.s.a.st about how wonderful 
his computer is, and how awful mine is. What should I do?
            signed My Computer is NOT a Toy.

   Dear My Computer, etc,etc.
      Many people's egos are so tied to their possessions, they 
have to affirm their existance by raving about the superiority 
of their machine to anyone who will listen. You should immediately 
flame these people into cinders, using every rumour or misconception 
you've ever heard about their brand of computer, as this will cause 
lots of posts, and develop into a massive flame war, which is one 
of the main reasons most people read c.s.a.st. If this didn't happen 
every six months, everybody would unsubscibe to this newsgroups from
boredom.
      Or, you could put comp.sys.amiga.advocacy in the Followup to:
line, and any article replying to yours would go to the newsgroup 
designed for this discussion.
      Or, if your newsreader supports it, you could build a KILL FILE,
which eliminates any post that has the word Amiga in it.
	
	Kill files can be created in rn and trn by hitting the 'K' key.
This will make a kill file based on the article you were reading
at the time. Then control K will put that file in the editor for you 
to play with. You use the same regexp commands here that are in rn.
For example. /[Ff]oo/h:j would search all headers of unread articles 
for both Foo and foo, and junk them. Check the docs for your newsreader 
for further details.


   Dear Emily. 
      I like flame wars, and want to start one of my own, so my name 
will be as famous as Richard Covert's.
         Signed, Too much Time on My Hands.

   Dear Too much time.
      Sorry it took so long to reply, but Richard's in my kill file
and someone had to forward your post to me, or I'd never have seen it.
      Flame wars are fun. They're the main reason people creted Usenet,
and should be encouraged at every opertunity.
      Some of the most common tricks for starting flame wars are as 
follows.
   1: Post a note in another newsgroup telling all the users there that
they own a piece of junk, and if they had a half a brain, they'd have the 
same computer you do, as it's obviously the best.
   2: Toss a bit of slander against another computer in a totally 
unrelated post. This guarantees a follow up, even if your original
post wasn't of any interest.
   3: Create a signature file that has a put down of another computer 
in it. This will get flame wars going in threads that have completely
unrelated Subject: lines, thus slipping through all but he most exacting
kill files.
      I hope you find these tips handy in creating your next flame war.
And just remember, your computer MUST be the best, after all, it's yours.


:BOOKS:
What books are available for the Atari ST?
==========================================

The (Almost) Complete Guide to Atari Reference Books

	Atari Coropration
	1196 Borregas Avenue
	Sunnyvale, CA 94089

  Atari TOS Developer's Kit

Atari has now make the developer's documentation public. See DEV above
for more information.


        Atari UK Software Support
	Atari
	Atari House
	Railway Terrace
	Slough, BERKS
	United Kingdom
	SL2 5BZ
	Tel 0753 53344

  "A few people have asked for more info on the release by Atari UK of
  the programming docs.  They have been released as 5 books."

  Programming Guides GEMDOS/BIOS & general programming. 238 pages. #29.99.
  (# = the British pound).  Still Another Line A Doc (SALAD), Intelligent
  keyboard protocol, chkdsk3 docs, midi assoc address sheet.

  Programming Guides New machines. 184 pages. #29.99.
  Rainbow TOS release notes, STE developers addendum, STE TOS release
  notes, TT030 TOS release notes, TT030 hardware ref manual, VMS expansion
  for TT & MegaSTe. Includes 2 disks of utilities, examples, xcontrol &
  docs.

  Programming Guides - GEM VDI
  Programming Guides - GEM AES - combined books. 514 pages. #49.99

  All the above together #99.99

  Hardware and Chip Specs. 228 pages. #29.99
  Engineering hardware spec, ACSI, MC6850, 68901, ay3-8910, wd1770, blitter
  Monitor & cartridge port. Also schematics.

  [Info from a posting by Iain Laskey dated 30 Nov 1991]

        Compute! Publications,Inc.
        PO Box 5406,Greensboro NC
        27403(919-275-9809)

  Computes Technical Refence Guide Volume One. VDI
  Sheldon Leeman
  ISBN 0-87455-093-9

  Computes Technical Refence Guide Volume Two. AES
  Sheldon Leeman
  ISBN 0-87455-114-5

  Computes Technical Refence Guide Volume Three. TOS
  Sheldon Leeman
  ISBN 0-87455-149-8

  Learning C. Programming Graphics on the Amiga and Atari ST.
  Marc B. Sugiyama and Christopher D. Metcalf
  ISBN 0-87455-064-5

  Compute's ST Applications Guide. Programming in C
  Simon Feild,Kathleen Mandis and Dave Myers
  ISBN 0-87455-078-5

        Scott,Foresman and Company.
        Professional Publishing Group
        1900 East Lake Avenue,Glenville IL
        600025

  Learning C on the Atari ST
  Joseph Boyle Wikert
  ISBN 0-673-18738-1

        Sybex Inc.
        2344 Sixth St.
        Berkely,CA
        94710

  Programmers Guide To GEM
  Phillip Balma and William Fitler
  ISBN 0-553-34397-1

	Taylor Ridge Books
	PO Box 48
	Manchester, Connecticut   (no zip listed) usa
	(203)643-9673

  C-manship Complete, $19.95
  Calyton Walnum
  No ISBN

"a decent book on programming your st gem/aes/vdi plus other stuff that is
based on the 31 articles that Clayton Walnum wrote for Analog. It was written
on a mega 4 with Calamus."

	Addison-Wesley Pub.

  68000 Assembly Language
  Donal Kantz & James Stanley
  ISBN 0-201-11659-6

"An interesting book on 68000 for the Atari (and amiga too, but both in
the abstract)"

        atari.archive.umich.edu

  Assembly Language Programming
  Robert Arp
  Disk archives, not published in paper at this time.
   	
"It is an excellent guide to assembly languuage programming.  It is very
large and takes quite a while to make a hard copy if you desire to do so.
The file names are arp68k-book.tar (the text) and arp68k-pix.Z.tar
(.img files to go along with the text)."

        
****************************************************************
*
*  THE FOLLOWING BOOKS ARE CURRENTLY OUT OF PRINT
*
 
        Abacus Software,Inc.
        5370 52nd Street,S.E.
        Grand Rapids,MI
        49508

  Atari ST Internals
  K Gerits,L. Englisch and R. Bruckmann
  ISBN 0-916439-46-1

  Atari ST GEM Programmers Reference
  Norbert Szczepanowski and Bernt Gunther
  ISBN 0-916439-52-6

  Atari ST 3d Graphics Programming
  Uwe Braun
  ISBN 0-916439-69-0

  Atari ST Disk Drives Inside and Out
  Uwe Brawn,Stephan Dittrich and Axel Schramm
  ISBN 0-916439-84
 
  Atari ST Machine Language
  B.Grohmann,P.eidler and H.Slibar
  ISBN 0-916439-48-8

  Atari ST Introduction to MIDI Programming
  Len Dorfman and Dennis Young
  ISBN 0-916439-77-1


        Bantam Books,Inc.
        666 5th Avenue
        New York,New York
        10103

  Atari ST Application Programming
  Lawrence J. Pollack and Eric J.T.Weber
  ISBN 0-553-34397-1



****************************************************************
*
*  This List can be freely distributed and added to
*  All I ask is that people identify the added information as
*  their own
*       John Henders
*       Vancouver,BC
*       On Usenet  uunet!ubc-cs!van-bc!jhenders
*       On ForumST  John henders@448
*       On GEnie c/o D.LEMAY2
*
*	C-Manship & 68000 Assembley Language suggested by Joe Gaudreau [DPZ]
*	Robert Arp's Assembley Language book suggested by David P. Forrai [DPZ]


:DEV:
How do I become a developer for the Atari ST?
=============================================

Contact Gail Bacani, Atari Rep Person, (408)745-2022

[UNITED STATES ONLY. IF YOU LIVE OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES, CONTACT
 YOUR COUNTRY'S ATARI HEADQUARTERS FOR MORE INFORMATION.]
  
Gail can explain the program to you, and send an information packet if you
desire.

Atari has gone to a 2-tier developer membership.  The 'higher quality'
developer support goes to commercial developers, and costs $250.  The
'no-hand-holding, no announcement of company future products, no access
to discounted hardware' goes to noncommercial developers, at an initial cost
of $125, plus $50 renewal fee each year.

Both tiers receive the ST/TT Developer Kit and all developers have to fill
in an application form and a non-disclosure agreement.  Contact Gail for
more information.

Atari is now selling the developer's kit (or parts of it) seperately. No
project-in-development or non-disclosure agreement is necessary.


:ERR:
What does TOS ERROR nn mean?
What do the bombs on my screen mean?
====================================

The information below was written, in part, by Darryl May, and posted on
GEnie in January (of ????) by John Townsend.  The original also appeared in
the June 1988 issue of _Current Notes_ (122 N. Johnson Rd., Sterling, VA
22170). It has since found its way to me, and is being posted to
comp.sys.atari.st as a service to readers.

Alan Pratt wrote to tell me that the basic information may be correct, but
that it cannot be dubbed "official" unless it originates, on paper, from
Atari.  This makes sense, as electronic communications are easily
modified, even accidentally.

Roland Waldi provided information regarding the difference between TOS and
GEM return codes which appears to be correct.  The tables have been modified
to reflect his information.

    The following is an unofficial list of the errors that can appear
while you are operating your ST computer.
 
          Error description         return code      alert box #
          ======================================================
             OK (no error)....................0
             Fundamental error...............-1
             Drive not ready.................-2
             Unknown command.................-3
             CRC error.......................-4
             Bad request.....................-5
             Seek error......................-6
             Unknown media...................-7
             Sector not found................-8
             No paper........................-9
             Write fault....................-10
             Read fault.....................-11
             General error..................-12
             Write protect..................-13
             Media change...................-14
             Unknown device.................-15
             Bad sectors on format..........-16
             Insert other disk..............-17
             Invalid function number........-32............1
             File not found.................-33............2
             Path not found.................-34............3
             No handles left................-35............4
             Access denied..................-36............5
             Invalid handle.................-37............6
             Insufficient memory............-39............8
             Invalid memory block address...-40............9
             Invalid drive specified........-46...........15
						
             No more files..................-49...........18
             Range error....................-64...........33
             Internal error.................-65...........34
             Invalid program load format....-66...........35
 
The last code is the infamous "TOS error 35"!

Also, some unofficial information via Alan Pratt:

  Notably, you should add -48: ENSAME (not the same drive, occurs when
  you call Frename and the two names you give aren't on the same drive),
  and -67: EGSBF: you can't use Mshrink to GROW a block of memory.


     Those bombs that appear on your screen are error messages from
 the 68000 micro-processor.

                                           Number
          Description                     of bombs
          ===========================================
             Reset: Initial PC2...............1
             Bus Error........................2
             Address Error....................3
             Illegal Instruction..............4
             Zero Divide......................5
             CHK Instruction..................6
             TRAPV Instruction................7
             Privilege Violation..............8
             Trace............................9
             Line 1010 Emulator..............10
             Line 1111 Emulator..............11
             [unassigned, reserved]..........12
             [unassigned, reserved]..........13
             Format Error....................14
             Uninitialized Interrupt Vector..15
             [unassigned, reserved].......16-23
             Spurious Interrupt..............24
             Level 1 Interrupt Autovector....25
             Level 2 Interrupt Autovector....26
             Level 3 Interrupt Autovector....27
             Level 4 Interrupt Autovector....28
             Level 5 Interrupt Autovector....29
             Level 6 Interrupt Autovector....30
             Level 7 Interrupt Autovector....31
             Trap Instruction Vectors.....32-47
             [unassigned, reserved].......48-63
             User Interrupt Vectors......64-255



:FREE:
What is Free-Net and how can I get access?
==========================================

                    A "Remodeled" Atari S.I.G. Opens

       By now many of you have heard of the Cleveland Freenet, or more
specifically the Atari S.I.G. on the Cleveland Freenet.  For those who
haven't, the Cleveland Freenet is an experimental computer system providing
free public community telecomputing.  Basically, it's a lot like a public
library of the future.  Many of these systems are popping up all over the
country.  Don't be surprised if one pops up in your neighborhood in the
future.

       Recently the Atari SIG has undergone a significant face-lift.  All
the regular areas are intact including its news sections, user group
newsletter, online magazine sections, general as well as specific
computer discussion boards (8 bit, 16/32 bit, Lynx, Portfolio), and our
weekly Sunday night multi-chat conference.

       The conference starts at 8pm EST sharp and is on channel           
"+Ataricon".  What the staff at the Atari SIG has added, has given the
Atari SIG the potential to cover all grounds of Atari and its related
products.

       The most noticeable addition to the Atari SIG is the Programming
and Development Forum.  This forum is intended to be used by developers,
professional programmers, and Atari hackers (the old definition of 
"hacker") as a means to share ideas, help each other out, and find out
the latest technical information on Atari's products.  This board is ran
by newly acquired SIG Operator, Peter Haller, a professional programmer
who is running developer sections on hardware and software development,
programming, MIDI applications development, Graphics Design,
plus many other sections that can definitely become a programmer and
developer's dream come true!

       Last, but definitely not least, the Atari SIG has a restructured
Product Info and Support Board and a new Special Applications Board.
The Support Board includes a vast library of support lists.  These lists
range anywhere from phone numbers of Atari dealers and producers, to         
software reviews for 8 bit, 16/32 bit, Lynx, and Portfolio software.
To sum it all up this area covers what's out there, who makes it, and how
to get it for all Atari products.  The Special Applications Board is
just starting out.  Currently there is an area for users of MIDI on the 
ST.  MIDI users are encouraged to use this as a means to discuss MIDI
related topics.  This section is expected to expand in the future.

        Accessing the Atari SIG has never been easier.  One can access it
via Internet by telenet'ing to 129.22.8.75 or "Freenet-in-b.cwru.edu"
or by calling (216) 368-3888 300/1200/2400 bps.  Once on the system, 
a user can apply for an account application and logon as a visitor.
Once here, simply type "Go Atari" to get to the Atari SIG.  A visitor
can go anywhere on  the Freenet and can read anything.  They can't
post messages until they get their permanent accounts, however.

For additional information on obtaining access to Freenet write to
myself via the e-mail addresses above or by writing the SIG at its US
mail address:
               The Atari SIG
               P.O. Box 21815
               Cleveland, OH 44121 USA
                 
Lastly, a freenet application is available in the mail by writing a
request to the above address if you rather not download it from Freenet.

        The Atari SIG is ready to serve the thousands of Atarians throughout
the world.  We look forward to seeing you all real soon!  Remember the
staff of the Atari SIG are volunteering their time for no pay and the
Cleveland Freenet, as well as the Atari S.I.G., is a non-profit organization
existing for the free exchange of information.

--

Mark Leair
Atari SIG Public Relations

Internet e-mail: aa338@Cleveland.Freenet.edu
CIS e-mail     : internet>aa338@Cleveland.Freenet.edu


:MAGS:
What magazines are available for the Atari ST?
==============================================

If you've got updates, mini-reviews,
or more information on other magazines, please send them to me via e-mail.

As always, WRITE to a company before sending them money for a subscription.


US mags:

AtariUser, published by Quill Publishing Company
---------

Cover Price: US $1.00  Canada $1.45  UK 1.50 (AtariUser is available for free
[$6.00/50 magazine shipping charge] from participating computer dealers,
bookstores & user groups!)

Subcription Rate: $21.30 US Bulkrate, $41.30 US First Class.
Address: AtariUser, 113 W. College Street, Covina, CA  91723 USA


Current Notes, published by Current Notes Inc.
-------------

Cover Price: US $3.95

Subscription Rate: $27.00/year (Atari clubs registered with Current Notes may
subscribe at $23.00/year) US, $35.00/year (Canadian club members at $31/year)
Canadian, Foreign rate $44/year.

Address: Current Notes Inc., 122 N. Johnson Rd., Sterling, VA  22170 USA


Atari Interface:
---------------

Write for a free sample copy of the Atari Interface magazine
(Unicorn Publications, 3487 Braeburn Circle, Ann Arbor, MI  48108)
 
AIM is soon to be available in Canada, Europe and Mexico, and should be in
all local WaldenSoftware stores and many bookstores.  If your "local"
Atari dealer doesn't have it, he should be able to get it for you...



UK Mags:
(Thanks to Sam Marshall <samm@castle.edinburgh.ac.uk> and Kevin Busby
<kevinb@syma.sussex.ac.uk> for some of the info here.)

ST Applications:
---------------

formerly the ST Club Newsletter, this is now the only
non-games mag in the UK (although see ST World below).  Approx. 4,500
copies per issue sold.  News, reviews, interviews, tech tips, general
forum, programmers' forum, PD catalogue.  DTP'd on an ST.  Retains a
'user-driven' feel.  Recommended.  The associated ST Club runs a PD
distribution service and distributes a couple of commercial programs too
(Fontkit Plus, UIS III, Molgraph, CRL Virus Killer, etc.).

Subscription costs:  UK - 15 pounds; Europe - 18 pounds (Air Mail);
  worldwide - 28 pounds (Air Mail)

Address:  ST Club, 2 Broadway, Nottingham, NG7 1PS, UK.

ST World:
--------

 formerly the leading UK non-games mag.  Became a quarterly
'buyer's guide' in Autumn 90.  Now, allegedly, about to be revived as a
monthly (under the stewardship of Jean Gollner, mother of ex-editor
Hugh) in the wake of Atari UK's new push into the 'serious' market.

ST Format:
---------

all-purpose 150-page monthly, mainly aimed at young people. 
Lively, but of uneven quality.  Big leisure section, but other areas
covered too.  Includes cover disk - mix of games demos and (usually out
of date) PD utilities.  Probably the biggest-selling UK ST mag.  Has had
several public rows with Atari UK. 

Future Publishing, Somerton, Somerset, TA11 6TB  Tel. 0458 74011 
Fax 0458 74378

Atari ST User:
-------------

like ST Format.  Generally (amongst online users) thought
to be not quite as good.

ST Action:
---------

games, games and more games.  And games.

Atari ST Review:
---------------
Lots of info, more mature editorial style than Format, but not so
polished.  2 cover disks per issue. 

Subscriptions: PO Box 500, Leicester, LE99 0AA. Tel: 0858 410510.

There are also, I think, some MIDI mags with strong ST content.  I don't
have their names.



German Mags:

Atari PD Journal:
----------------

Reviewed in the May '91 issue of Current Notes [from which I'm cribbing this
information, DP-Z].  Hardware and Software reviews, some commercial software
reviewed.  Typical issue runs around 90 pages.  Special "Katalog" section.

Subscription:  DM 70 (normal mail), DM 100 (air mail).  Prices may be for
domestic distribution -- write first!

Address:  Heim Verlag, PD Abonnement, Heidleberger Landstrasse 194, 6100
Darmstadt 13 GERMANY

ST-Magazin (formerly 68000er):
-----------------------------

(monthly) Typical issue: around 150 pages. Includes DTP-magazine CICERO.

Subscription: DM 77 (domestic distribution); foreign - write for information

Address: ST-Magazin, Bretonischer Ring 13, 8011 Grasbrunn, West Germany, 
Phone: ++49 89 456 160

ST Computer:
-----------

11 issues/year, typical around 180 pages

Subscription: DM 80 (domestic),  DM 100 (normal mail), DM 130 (air mail)

Address: Heim Verlag, Heidelberger Landstr. 194, D-6100 Darmstadt 13 GERMANY

French Mags:
------------

ST Magazine
-----------
Monthly in French. Oriented towards developers, professional users. Comes 
with a disk each month.
ST Magazine - 10, rue Hegesippe Moreau - 75018 Paris - France
(French Teletel users: 3615 Teletel access, code STMAG)

STart Micro
-----------
Monthly, includes a cover disk. 11 issues per year. 64 + 16 (separated) pages. 
Price: FF38 per issue, subscription: FF360. Subjects: Desktop publishing,
graphics, initiations to C and GFA Basic, survey of outcoming software, music,
folders. Minitel access: 3615 code ATARI. Address: FC Press, 57 rue Danton,
92300 Levallois-Perret, France.


Dutch Mags
----------

ST, published by Stichting ST , postbus 11129  2301 EC Leiden  the Netherlands
---
cover price: fl 6,95
Independent magazine by and for atari ST users.
covers all different topics from applications to games and hardware.
60 pages.

6 times a year. One year subscription fl 35,-
black and white pages.

START, published by Divo , M. Gijzenburg 14, 2907 HG Capelle a/d IJssel
------
cover price: fl 7,50 (may be more now)
All round magazine, floppy-service available for published programs.
68 pages. 2 color print

6 publications a year. One year subscription fl 39,95
including floppydisk fl 119,95

Atacom, by Atari Club Groningen.
-------
Never seen this one. I suppose you have to be a member of the club or so.
price is fl 4,95. 
Adress of the club: Atari Club Groningen, Postbus 9164
9703 LD Groningen, the Netherlands.

Atari Nieuws, by Atari ST computer club Nederland
-------------
News paper sized publication. Lots of colour on newspaper pages. Not too many
pages though.
price is fl 3,95 (cheap cheap) 
monthly publication.
adress: ACN, Postbus 5011, 2000 CA Haarlem, the Netherlands.

GFA-info, by GFA gg (usergroup)
---------
Publication of the GFA-basic usergroup. This group has a lot of mainly
educational software available.
price is fl 5,00

adress: GFA gg, Frankrijklaan 14, 2034 BA Haarlem, the Netherlands

ST News, by Stichting Computers Eindhoven
--------
This is an electronic magazine. It has been around for about 6 years now 
and is completely in English!!! The first issues were in Wordplus format 
back in 1986 but from the 6th issue on it included a readerprogram
both for color and monochrome. Even with music.
price is fl 10,00
adress: S.C.E., Kornoeljelaan 22, 5552 RC Valkenswaard


:TIPS:
TIPS AND HINTS from other users
===============================
 
Any 'multisync' monitor which handles 70 video fields a second can be used
   with the ST; the custom cable involves no tricks, or commercial ones are
   available.  The original NEC multisync does NOT handle 70 fields a sec.
 
More than 3 bombs often means more than 1 error, so interpretations are
tricky.
 
An ST-formatted disk which is not readable by a PC can be made readable by
   putting the 3 bytes EB 34 90 (those were 3 bytes of hex) at the beginning
   of the boot sector (sector 1 of track 0, I believe).  This can be done with 
   either an ST or PC absolute sector editor. The Desktop of TOS 1.4 and
   higher does this automatically.

Some (older) PC-3.5"-drives cannot deal with the short track-header produced
   by ST formatters. On those drives, ST-formatted disks are not readable,
   independent of their boot sector contents. The other way, however, does
   always work: format on the PC.
 
When using disks formatted on a PC in an ST, make sure to insert and access
   a disk with a different serial number in between disk changes.

For those with the 'inaccessible' mouse and joystick ports, a joystick
   extender cable will make life easier.  The Y-cable joystick extenders make
   it extremely easy to keep mouse and joystick connected to port 0, and a
   joystick extender cable in port 1 makes for easy hookup after you've moved
   the machine.

BARREL is a program which can redirect printer-data to a file.  It comes in
   handy when your printer is unavailable, and the program does not already
   have an option to 'print-to-a-file'.  (It is available on the atari.archive
   server.)

DBLEFEAT is a program which can redirect disk access from, say, drive A to
   drive B.  Handy when a program 'hard-codes' the data drive, and you
   wish to use your hard drive instead.  (It is available on the atari.archive
   server.)

On the Desktop of TOS 1.4 or higher, holding the right mouse button allows
   you to manipulate files in other windows. This is useful for a number
   of reasons. An example is this: say D:\BLAH.ARC is a file you would
   like to extract to D:\, but ARC.TTP is on C:\. Top D:\'s window, then
   hold the right button while double-clicking ARC.TTP in an inactive window.
   (I've been told this will work on 1.2, and possibly other TOSi.)


:ZNET:
Where can I get copies of ZNET?
===============================

ZNET is now Atari Explorer Online. Please see EXPLOR for more info.


:EXPLOR:
Where can I get copies of Atari Explorer Online?
================================================
Atari Explorer Online magazine is available on CompuServe and GEnie. You can
also get copies mailed to you by sending an e-mail message to

	stzmagazine-request@virginia.edu

indicating you wish to subscribe.

They won't get to you on Friday (which is when they're posted), but Greg
Lindahl provides an excellent service to the networking community by sending
these out.

Atari Explorer Online and some information from the Current Notes user
magazine are also available from the atari.archive server under
/atari/magazines.


:PD:
Where can I get Public Domain/Shareware software?
==========================================================

There are FTP sources and a comp.sources.atari.st/comp.binaries.atari.st
mail server.  You can also try the commercial on-line services such as
GEnie, CompuServe, Delphi and Bix.

Using FTP, most files should be retrieved in BINARY format (at least those
ending with the suffix of .ARC, .LZH, .ZOO, .PRG, .TTP, .TOS)

Mail servers encode files.  You will need a program called 'uudecode' in
order to change files ending with the suffix .UUE (or .UAB, .UAC, etc.)
into their original form.


:MAIL:
E-Mail file servers

archive-server@spud.hyperion.com:
---------------------------------

Spud holds all of the comp.sources.atari.st / comp.binaries.atari.st
postings.  If you aren't reading these two newsgroups, you should consider
doing so.  You may obtain uuencoded files as e-mail.  You can obtain a
help file by mailing a message to archive-server@spud.hyperion.com, with
the main body of the message being the word 'help'.

atari@atari.archive.umich.edu:
-----------------------------

The atari.archive server is mentioned many times in this article.  It contains
a multitude of Atari ST PD and shareware programs.  If you don't have access
via FTP you can obtain many of the files via e-mail.  You should first obtain a
help file by mailing a message to atari@atari.archive.umich.edu, with the main
body of the message being the word 'help.'.  If you are from a uucp site,
please enclose this statement also 'path host1!host2!....', where
host1!host2!... is your path. Please read the help file completely before you
ask questions, and then send any you may have to jon@atari.archive.umich.edu. 
Any questions about the archive or specific files go to 
weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu (or weiner@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu, 
jeff.weiner@um.cc.umich.edu, weiner@zircon.labmed.umn.edu, or 
weiner@umnstat.stat.umn.edu :-)       


archive-server@micros.hensa.uk.ac:
---------------------------------

This is a UK public domain archive, available to sites within the UK via
via JANET.

info-server@Germany.EU.net:
---------------------------

This is a german public domain archive. This only has comp.binaries.atari.st
and comp.sources.atari.st.

archive-server@Germany.EU.net:
------------------------------

Same place as above, but this one carries other software than just 
comp.binaries.atari.st and comp.sources.atari.st.


mail-server@cs.ruu.nl (or uunet!mcsun!hp4nl!ruuinf!mail-server):
---------------------------------------------------------------
send the following message

    begin
    path john@highbrow.edu (PLEASE SUBSTITUTE *YOUR* ADDRESS)
    send ATARI-ST/index
    end

NOTE: *** PLEASE USE VALID INTERNET ADDRESSES IF POSSIBLE. DO NOT USE
ADDRESSES WITH ! and @ MIXED !!!! BITNETTERS USE USER@HOST.BITNET ***

The path command can be deleted if we receive a valid from address in your
message. If this is the first time you use our mail server, we suggest you
first issue the request:
    send HELP

LISTSERV@UOGUELPH.BITNET:
------------------------

Mail messages with the contents HELP will bring you some usage information
and GET PROG-A16 FILELIST will provide you with a list of files.  Subscriptions
to INFO-A16 are also available on this server.  INFO-A16 is a digest of 
messages from comp.sys.atari.st.


:FTP:
Anonymous FTP servers

Note:  The generally accepted practice for FTP use is as follows:

	1. Limit access times to non-working hours.  This is usually 6-8 pm
	   to 8-9 am LOCAL time.  LOCAL time means local to the computer
	   you are accessing!  For example, 4 P.M. in Minneapolis, Minnesota
	   is 10 P.M. in England, and 10 A.M. in Germany is 4 A.M. in New
	   York.

	2. Once you connect, issue the following commands at your FTP
	   prompt:

		user anonymous
		<YOUR e-mail address should be entered at the Password: prompt)
		ls
		cd <to the appropriate directory>

	3. Limit downloads, especially across the ocean.  Remember, there are
	   other people who are using the same lines as you.


Atari FTP sites (the list is -not- exhaustive)
----------------------------------------------

atari.archive.umich.edu	[141.211.164.8]


uk.ac.lancs.pdsoft (available to UK users via JANET)

  Note:  Access is a bit different for this archive site, use the following:

	user pdsoft
	pdsoft (at the Password prompt)


ftp.Germany.EU.net [192.76.144.75]


ftp.cs.ruu.nl [131.211.80.17]


:COMP:
Atari-related companies
=======================

This is a (still under construction) list of companies and addresses that 
might be of use to Atari ST users. Please send me addresses for the blank ones
on this list. See also IAAD, it lists many more companies that are not on
this list.


BMS

E.A. Brown 
3404 Pawnee Drive
Alexandria
Minnesota  56308
Info:  612-762-8847
Orders: 800-322-4405
Product: Software and Hardware distributor

GengTec

JRI

Marvin AG

Matrix Datensystem

Supra
7101 Supra Drive
Tangent, Oregon 97389 
(503) 967-9075


TKR GmbH & Co. KG
Stadtparkweg 2
W-2300 Kiel 1
Tel. +49-431-3378881
Fax. +49-431-35984

Wittich Computer


:IAAD:
Independent Atari Developers
============================
(Thanks to Ed Krimen (ekrimen@wet.com) for sending this along)
(And to Joachim Vance (jvance@einstein.oac.uci.edu) for reformatting)

         The Independent Association of Atari Developers
                        Member Directory
                         Compiled 6/7/92
 
Please note: Most IAAD members support users through the bulletin 
board areas on GEnie.  References in this file to "Cat" or "Top" 
refer to the ST RT bulletin board area; other RTs are designated 
by name.  We welcome your comments and inquiries!
 
James C Allen				Todd Bane                 
FAST TECHNOLOGY				Soft-Aware Unlimited      
P.O. Box 578				334B North Euclid Avenue  
Andover, MA 01810			Upland, CA 91786          
508 475 3810 (fax)			714 985 2348 (fax)        
508 475 3810				714 982 8409              
GEnie: J.ALLEN27			GEnie: R.SKRALY           
Cat4 Top11				Cat6 Top4                 

Steve Barker				David Beckemeyer 
Flying Pigs Software			Beckemeyer Development Tools   
P.O. Box 688				P.O. Box 21575		       
St. George, UT 84771			Oakland, CA 94620	       
801 628 5764 (fax)			510 530 0451 (fax)	       
801 628 5713				510 530 9637		       
GEnie: STEVE-B				GEnie: D.BECKEMEYER 	       
BBS: 801 628 5773			Intrnt: david@bdt.CO	       
					Cat2 Top34		     

Robert M Birmingham			Dorothy A Brumleve      
13630 SW 101 Lane			D.A. Brumleve           
Miami, FL 33186-2814			P.O. Box 4195           
305 385 1942				Urbana, IL 61801-8820   
GEnie: R.BIRMINGHA4			217 337 1937            
CIS: 73637,1120				GEnie: D.A.BRUMLEVE     
Cat25					Delphi: DABRUMLEVE      
					CIS: 71451,1141         
					Cat29 Top6              

Gilbert Callaghan			Phil Comeau                     
Double Click Software			Phil Comeau Software            
P.O. Box 741206				43 Rueter Street                
Houston, TX 77274-1206			Nepean, Ontario Canada K2J 3Z9  
713 977 6520 (fax jack)			613 596 4081 (fax P.C. Soft)    
713 977 6520				613 825 6721                    
GEnie: DOUBLE-CLICK			GEnie: P.COMEAU1                
CIS: 75300,577				Cat13 Tops7,20                  
BBS: 713 944 0108							
Cat30               
				 
Jay Craswell				Craig W Daymon      
Dover Research Corp.			ICD Inc.		
321 W. 4th Street			1220 Rock Street	
Jordan, MN 55352			Rockford, IL 61101	
612 492 3913				815 968 6888 (fax)	
GEnie: J.CRASWELL			815 968 2228		
CIS: 73016,27				GEnie: C.DAYMON		
					ICD RT			
 						                   
John Eidsvoog				Lauren Flanagan-Sellers     
CodeHead Technologies			Goldleaf Publishing Inc.    
P.O. Box 74090				700 Larkspur Landing Circle, Suite 199
Los Angeles, CA 90004			Larkspur, CA 94939          
213 386 5789 (fax)			415 257 3515                
213 386 5735				GEnie: WORDFLAIR            
GEnie: J.EIDSVOOG1			Cat35                       
Cat32					

Rick Flashman                           David Fletcher                  
Gribnif Software			Ditek International             
P.O. Box 350				2800 John Street, Unit 15       
Hadley, MA 01035			Markham, Ontario Canada L3R 0E2 
413 584 2565 (fax)			416 479 1882 (fax)              
413 584 7887				416 479 1990                    
GEnie: R.FLASHMAN			GEnie: DITEK                    
Cat17					Cat6 Top9 / Cat7 Top7           

George Geczy                            Keith Gerdes            
JMG Software International, Inc.	Double Click Software   
892 Upper James Street			P.O. Box 741206         
Hamilton, Ontario Canada L9C 3A5	Houston, TX 77274-1206  
416 575 0283 (fax)			713 977 6520 (fax jack) 
416 575 3201 				713 977 6520            
GEnie: JMGSOFT 				GEnie: DOUBLE-CLICK     
BBS: 416 389 9064			CIS: 75300,577          
Cat6 Top32				BBS: 713 944 0108       
 					Cat30                   
 
Tyson T Gill                            Tom Harker          
GT Software				ICD, Inc.           
12114 Kirton Avenue			1220 Rock Street    
Cleveland, OH 44135-3612		Rockford, IL 61101  
216 252 4272				815 968 6888 (fax)  
GEnie: T.GILL7 				815 968 2228        
CIS: 73467,777				GEnie: ICDINC       
Cat17					ICD RT              
 
Doug Harrison                           Craig Harvey        
1018 Quail Creek #303			Clear Thinking      
Shreveport, LA 71105			P.O. Box 715        
318 869 1292				Ann Arbor, MI 48105 
GEnie: D.S.HARRISON			313 971 8671        
Cat2 Top15				GEnie: C.HARVEY     
 					BBS: 313 971 6035   
					Cat2 Top40          
 
John 'Hutch' Hutchinson                 Hagop Janoyan                      
Fair Dinkum Technologies		PDC, Inc.                          
P.O. Box 2				515 Wing Street                    
Los Alamos, NM 87544			Glendale, CA 91205                 
505 662 7236				206 348 4276 (fax)                 
GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM			818 242 5692 or 206 745 5980       
Cat29 Top4				GEnie: H.JANOYAN3 or PDC.SW        
 					Cat13 Tops12,21,22 / Cat10 Top11 /
                                        others
 
Charles F Johnson                       Todd Johnson                       
CodeHead Technologies			Cherry Fonts                       
P.O. Box 74090				Unit #4, 2250 Tyner Street         
Los Angeles, CA 90004			Port Coquitlam, B.C. Canada V3C 2Z1
213 386 5789 (fax)			213 386 5735 (CodeHead)            
213 386 5735				GEnie: CHERRY.FONTS                
GEnie: C.F.JOHNSON 			Cat32 Top27                        
Delphi: CFJ
CIS: 76004,2232
Cat32
 
Deron Kazmaier                          Gene Kane                         
Soft-Logik Publishing			Xerox Corp                        
P.O. Box 290070				101 Continental Blvd. M/S ESC1-945
St. Louis, MO 63129			El Segundo, CA 90245              
314 894 8608				310 333 2707                      
GEnie: DERON.K				GEnie: GENEXRX                    
SOFTLOGIC RT				CIS: 70475,440                    
  
Alex Kiernan                            Hans-Peter Labude           
HiSoft					Managing Director           
The Old School, Greenfield		ICD Europe GmbH             
Bedford, England MK45 5DE		Postfach 13 17 Am Goldberg 9
+44 525 713716 (fax)			6056 Heusenstamm Germany    
+44 525 718181				+49 6104 67581 (fax)        
GEnie: HISOFT				+49 6104 6403               
Cat3 Top11,14,15 / Cat2 Top30		GEnie: ICD.GMBH             
 					ICD RT                      
 
Paul W Lee                              Dave Link                    
Double Click Software			HiSoft                       
P.O. Box 741206				The Old School, Greenfield   
Houston, TX 77274-1206			Bedford, England MK45 5DE    
713 977 6520 (fax jack)			+44 525 713716 (fax)         
713 977 6520				+44 525 718181               
GEnie: DOUBLE-CLICK 			GEnie: HISOFT                
CIS: 75300,577				Cat3 Top11,14,15 / Cat2 Top30
BBS: 713 944 0108
Cat30               
  
Bob Luneski                             Henry Murphy              
Oregon Research Associates		MS Design                 
16200 S.W. Pacific Hwy. Suite 162	611 West Illinois Street  
Tigard, OR 97224			Urbana, IL 61801          
503 638 6182 (fax)			217 351 6412 (fax)        
503 620 4919				217 384 8469              
GEnie: B.LUNESKI1			GEnie: H.MURPHY           
Cat2 Top42				Cat5 Top2                 
  
Tom Nielsen                             Dave Nutkins                 
eSTeem, inc.				HiSoft                       
72 Shades Crest Road			The Old School, Greenfield   
Hoover, AL 35226-1014			Bedford, England MK45 5DE    
205 942 8390 (fax)			+44 525 713716 (fax)         
Answ. Serv.: 205 941 4910		+44 525 718181               
GEnie: ESTEEM				GEnie: HISOFT                
Cat29 Top7				Cat3 Top11,14,15 / Cat2 Top30
  
W. David 'Dr. Bob' Parks                William Penner           
WizWorks!				Medical Designs Software 
P.O. Box 45				3235 Wright Avenue       
Girard, OH 44420			Bremerton, WA 98310      
216 539 5623				206 373 4840             
GEnie: W.PARKS3 			GEnie: BPENNER           
Cat7 Top5				BBS: 206 479 2157        
  
Jay Pierstorff                          Nathan Potechin                 
Safari Fonts				ISD Marketing, Inc.             
606 W. Cross Street			2800 John Street, Unit 15       
Woodland, CA 95695			Markham, Ontario Canada L3R 0E2 
916 666 1813 (fax)			416 479 1882 (fax)              
916 666 1813				416 479 1880                    
GEnie: J.PIERSTORFF			GEnie: ISD                      
					CIS: 76004,2246                 
 					Delphi: ISDMARKETING            
					Cat16                           
 
Roger Richards                          George Richardson     
Synergy Resources			Merlin Group, Inc.    
754 N. Bolten Avenue			96 Hoyt Street        
Indianapolis, IN 46219			Kearny, NJ 07032-3311 
317 231 4158 (fax)			201 998 0932 (fax)    
317 356 6946				201 998 4441          
GEnie: R.RICHARDS2			GEnie: G.RICHARDSO1   
Cat2 Top19
  
A Ridley                                Chris Roberts             
Canoe Computer Services			DragonWare Software Inc.  
GEnie: A.RIDLEY1			P.O. Box 1719             
 					Havre, MT 59501-1719      
					406 265 9609              
 					GEnie: DRAGONWARE         
					Cat13 Top4                
				    
Eric Rosenquist                         Scott Sanders                 
Strata Software                     	Software Development Systems  
94 Rowe Drive				996 Redondo Avenue, #404      
Kanata, Ontario Canada K2L 3Y9		Long Beach, CA 90804          
613 591 1922 (fax)			310 987 2205 (fax)            
613 591 1922				310 595 9799                  
GEnie: E.ROSENQUIST 			Orders: 800 237 4SDS          
CIS: 72711,2503				GEnie: S.SANDERS2             
BIX: e rosenquist			CIS: 71760,2140               
Cat17               			Cat2 Top39                    
  
Lee Seiler                              Nevin Shalit                     
Lexicor					Step Ahead Software, Inc.        
415 453 0271				496-A Hudson Street, Suite F39   
GEnie: L.SEILER				New York City, NY 10014          
Cat25					212 627 5830                     
 					GEnie: NEVIN-S                   
					Cat6 Top23                       
 
David M Small                           Carl Stanford            
Gadgets by Small, Inc.			MS Design                
40 West Littleton Blvd., #210-211	611 West Illinois Street 
Littleton, CO 80120			Urbana, IL 61801         
303 791 0253 (fax)			217 351 6412 (fax)       
303 791 6098				217 384 8469             
GEnie: DAVESMALL			GEnie: C.STANFORD        
GADGETS RT				Cat5 Top2                
  
John Stanley                            Chuck Steinman     
DynaSoft Systems			DataQue Products   
4157 Lyndale Avenue South		P.O. Box 134       
Minneapolis, MN 55409			Ontario, OH 44862  
612 825 4215				419 529 5197 (fax) 
GEnie: JLS				419 529 9797       
Internet: jls@dynasoft.mn.org		GEnie: DATAQUE.1   
 					CIS: 71777,3223    
					Delphi: DATAQUE    
 
Darren Stevens                          Craig S Thom         
Mind over MIDI Productions		ICD, Inc.            
PO Box 56522				1220 Rock Street     
Lougheed Mall Postal Outlet	   	Rockford, IL 61101   
Burnaby, B.C. Canada V3J 7W2    	815 968 6888 (fax)   
604 420 6266 (fax)              	815 968 2228         
604 444 4424                    	GEnie: CRAIG.S.THOM  
GEnie: MINDOVERMIDI             	ICD RT               
Cat 10 Top 15                     

David Thompson                          John Trautschold        
JMG Software International, Inc.	Missionware Software    
892 Upper James Street			354 N. Winston Drive    
Hamilton, Ontario Canada L9C 3A5	Palatine, IL 60067-4132 
416 575 0283 (fax)			708 359 9565            
416 575 3201				GEnie: J.TRAUTSCHOL     
GEnie: D.THOMPSON66 			BIX: jtrautschold       
BBS: 416 389 9064			CIS: 73250,572          
Cat6 Top32				Cat8 Top2               
  
Melinda Turcsanyi                       Ralph Turner                       
MUSICODE Software			Index Legalis Publishing Company   
5575 Baltimore Drive, Suite 105-127	P.O. Box 1822-3                    
La Mesa, CA 91942			Fairfield, IA 52556                
619 469 7194				515 472 2293                       
GEnie: M.TURCSANYI			GEnie: R.TURNER10                  
  
Michael B Vederman                      Clayton Walnum       
Double Click Software			Taylor Ridge Books   
P.O. Box 741206				P.O. Box 78          
Houston, TX 77274-1206			Manchester, CT 06040 
713 977 6520 (fax)			203 643 9673         
713 977 6520				GEnie: C.WALNUM1     
GEnie: DOUBLE-CLICK 			Delphi: ANALOG4      
CIS: 75300,577
BBS: 713 944 0108
Cat30
  
Chet Walters                            Norm Weinress           
WizWorks!				Weinress Consulting     
P.O. Box 45				3236 Velma Drive        
Girard, OH 44420			Los Angeles CA 90068    
216 539 5623				213 876 7704            
GEnie: C.WALTERS1			GEnie: N.WEINRESS       
Cat7 Top13				Cat4 Top12              
   
Doug Wheeler                            Steve Whitney                     
ICD, Inc.				655 South Fair Oaks Avenue, I-103 
1220 Rock Street			Sunnyvale, CA 94086               
Rockford, IL 61101			815 968 6888                      
815 968 6888 (fax)			GEnie: S.WHITNEY                  
815 968 2228				Cat13 Top14                       
GEnie: DOUG.W
ICD RT
  
Dan Wilga                            Paul Wu                                 
Gribnif Software		     Omnimon Peripherals, Inc.               
P.O. Box 350			     One Technology Drive, Bldg 1E, Suite 301
Hadley, MA 01035		     Irvine, CA 92718                        
413 584 2565 (fax)		     714 753 9255 (fax)                      
413 584 7887			     714 753 9253                            
GEnie: GRIBNIF			     GEnie: WUZTEK.OPI                       
Cat17				     Delphi: OPI                             
 				     Cat4 Tops12,17,31,32                    
:CREDIT:
Who has contributed to the FAQ?
===============================

If you've contributed to this FAQ but aren't mentioned here, tell me!

David Paschall-Zimbel (davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu) compiled the bulk
 of the FAQ.
Steven Ourada (sourada@iastate.edu) is the current maintainer.

Juxtaposer (baffoni@aludra.usc.edu)
Eugen Bauknecht (eugen@hpbbi4.bbn.hp.com)
Ate Brink (ate@cs.ruu.nl)
Kevin Busby (kevinb@syma.sussex.ac.uk)
Michael Clark (clarkmi@prism.CS.ORST.EDU)
Jean-Etienne Doucet <doucet@laas.laas.fr>
Ben Gilbert
Edgar Greuter (edgar@pingu.saar.de) 
John Henders (jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca)
Chris Herborth (cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca)
Graham Higgins
John Hutchinson (hutch@bellman.lanl.gov)
Stephen Jacobs (saj@chinet.chi.il.us) 
Michal Jaegermann (NTOMCZAK@vm.ucs.ualberta.ca)
Eric S Johansson (esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us)
Ed Krimen (ekrimen@wet.com)
Mark Lavi (markjl@pub2.bu.edu)
Mark Leair (aa338@Cleveland.Freenet.edu)
John Langner
J.J. Lehett (JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu)
Jari Lehto
Sam Marshall (samm@aisb.edinburgh.ac.uk)
Darryl May
Erlend Nagel <wmtwen@urc.tue.nl>
Frederic Mora (mora@geocub.greco-prog.fr)
Thomas Omerzu (omerzu@quando.quantum.de) 
Piet van Oostrum (piet@cs.ruu.nl)
Alan Pratt
James Reno (James_Reno.Wbst129@xerox.com)
Eric Smith (eric.smith@uwo.ca)
Andy Tanenbaum (ast@cs.vu.nl)
Shoou-yu Tang (sytang@lamar.colostate.edu)
Oddvar Tveito FTO (Oddvar.Tveito@nta.no)
Wayne (?) (trek@ihlpb.att.com)
John Townsend
Joachim Vance (jvance@einstein.oac.uci.edu)
Roland Waldi



=====================================================================
Hope you liked the comp.sys.atari.st FAQ. If you have comments,
suggestions, more material, etc., mail me at sourada@iastate.edu

Thanks to David Paschall-Zimbel	(davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu) for 
compiling most of this FAQ.

                     Later,
                        Steven Ourada

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