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Article #20344Archiver wars (was Re: We have reignition)
From: Christopher Browne
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1993 18:15
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1993 18:15
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I) Concerning lharc: I never use it for anything other than file extraction, so I don't know all of the inter-version compatibility features. However, as a thought: Most archivers allow the option of forcing the use of some particular compression method, or the use of archives compatible with some "older" edition. Is lharc an exception to this rule? If not, then why don't the people that package up newer versions use the "compatibility" option? It seems only sensible: I don't care if the archive bloats by a few K, as it only gets downloaded ONCE. The few K of savings by using some newer algorithm will be FAR exceeded by the cost of the fact that people wind up having to download two or more different versions. II) Concerning other options: On the Atari ST, there seems to be quite the choice of archivers: - Zoo Roger Sheppard may hate it, but at least it has remained STABLE, doesn't crash, and is highly compatible between a variety of platforms. Compression sizes are competitive, which makes up for the fact that it's a little slow. I consider it a GOOD thing that it hasn't changed much in a couple of years. - Lharc There's lots of work going into maintaining/improving Lharc, but unfortunately, it's all quite jumbled, and it's almost impossible to guarantee that you've got a compatible version. It's fairly fast, but that's because it gets hacked on a lot, which makes it less trustworthy. - ARC It's occasionally needed for compatibility with OLD archives. Unfortunately, it's fairly slow, doesn't compress nearly as well as the competition, and the support for subdirectories is a little spotty. - ZIP There has been an attempt to get ZIP running on the ST. There's a nice GEM-based version, which unfortunately is buggy. (I've only once gotten through a session with out bombs.) If you watch the traffic around gnu.announce, and comp.compression, there seems to be quite a bit of talk about a new "portable" edition that's available pretty much in the public domain. The GNU people are planning to use the ZIP algorithms as the standard compressor for the GNU project; clearly the code is getting looked at by many people in many places. I could see it being an idea to try to latch onto this use of ZIP, and try to make it into the #1 Atari archiver. ZIP is now about as portable as ZOO; if they get a VM/CMS version out, it will be MORE platform independent than ANY other archiver. Given the great popularity of ZIP in the I*M world, the fairly easy availability in the UNIX world, as well as VMS, VM/CMS, and probably other places I can't think of, and the fact that early versions of ZIP have been fairly well received by Atari users, it might be worth some of us putting effort into getting the "new" ZIP properly compiled, and generally accepted on the Atari. It might end the LZH/ZOO wars, at least. -- Christopher Browne | PGP 2.0 key available cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca |====================================== University of Ottawa | Genius may have its limitations, but Master of System Science Program | stupidity is not thus handicapped.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!usc!cs.utexas.edu!torn!nott!uotcsi2!news From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne) Subject: Archiver wars (was Re: We have reignition) Message-ID: <1993Jan2.181513.4659@csi.uottawa.ca> Keywords: lharc, flamefest Sender: news@csi.uottawa.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: prge Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa References: <1992Dec31.063107.20359@nosc.mil> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 18:15:13 GMT Lines: 74