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Info-Atari16 Digest   Sunday, March 22, 1987   Volume 87 : Issue 136

This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield

Today's Topics:

                          Re: laser printer
          Re: Adding another Hard Drive?? (and auto-booting)
                      Re: Request for propaganda
           Re: Caution with S&S Wholesalers of Miami Beach
               Extension boards for the new Mega Ataris
                          Re: 520 in Canada
                     Re: a few questions/whatever
                 Port Microsoft-C to Atari ST - (nf)
                       Re: a 68010 for your st?
                   Re: Adding another Hard Drive??
                         Re: Working 4 meg ST
                         Re: A Plea for SCSI
                         Re: twister.prg ???
                          Re: 520 in Canada

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Date: 17 Mar 87 00:59:42 GMT
From: imagen!atari!leavens@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Alex Leavens)
Subject: Re: laser printer
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

in article <261@nikhefh.UUCP>, t68@nikhefh.UUCP (Jos Vermaseren) says:
>
> At Hannover I saw the Atari laser printer.
> It was announced as a 8 pages per minute printer.
> In a report from the computer show in Vegas I read
> something about 30 or more pages per minute. Was the person
> who mentioned this mistaken, or is this not the same printer ?
> ...Alex ??....

  The 8 pages a minute figure is correct.  I've never even _heard_ of a laser
printer that'll do 30 pages a minute...

--alex @ Atari

BIX:alexl.            GEnie: ALEXLEAVENS      AtariCorp: 408-745-2006

"How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all."

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Date: 16 Mar 87 17:26:02 GMT
From: tektronix!sequent!mntgfx!dclemans@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Dave Clemans)
Subject: Re: Adding another Hard Drive?? (and auto-booting)
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

The latest hard disk driver from Supra (version 2.61) fully supports
both multiple physical drives and will let you write a boot sector
out to the drive (to drive 0, if you have multiple drives).  This
will even let you run your system without floppies if you desire.

What they do is to put a file "supboot.sys" (marked hidden so that it
doesn't show up in normal directory listings) onto the root of drive C.
Supboot.sys is the full driver; the simple driver in the boot sector
just knows how to load that file.

To get around the previously mentioned problems with booting directly
from a hard disk (i.e., what to do if there are broken auto folder
programs or broken desk accessories, etc.) the Supra boot sector
checks for the control, shift and alternate keys to see if they all
are down; if so, it doesn't try to boot from the hard disk, which
lets you try to fix the situation using floppies.

dgc

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Date: 17 Mar 87 00:51:18 GMT
From: imagen!atari!leavens@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Alex Leavens)
Subject: Re: Request for propaganda
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

in article <395@laurel.wiley.UUCP>, bob@wiley.UUCP (Bob Amstadt) says:
>       1. Has Atari upgraded their OS to include some form
>        of multitasking? If not does someone else supply a multitasking
>        OS? What about MINIX?

           No, our OS is not multi-tasking.  There are a couple of multi-
           tasking OS's available:
                MT-Cshell, from Beckemeyer Development tools
                OS-9 from MicroWare

>     2. Who retails the ST line in the Redondo Beach (LA) area?
           Don't know, sorry.

>     3. Who supplies what hard disks for the ST?
       Atari makes the SH204, a 20 meg hard disc.
           Supra makes a couple of hard discs for the ST.

>     4. Does X Windows run on the ST?
       Don't think so--I haven't heard of anyone porting this
           over.

>     5. Does GNU emacs or a micro emacs run on the ST?
           There are a couple of good PD MicroEMACS available.
           I use MicroEmacs 3.7i, which I find is a good tool.

--alex @ Atari

BIX:alexl.            GEnie: ALEXLEAVENS      AtariCorp: 408-745-2006

"How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all."

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Date: 16 Mar 87 02:50:23 GMT
From: hao!noao!mcdsun!nud!df@hplabs.hp.com  (Dale Farnsworth, NO7K)
Subject: Re: Caution with S&S Wholesalers of Miami Beach
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <8703121649.AA23788@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> kdale@BBNCC-EUR.ARPA (Keith
 Dale) writes:
>I  ordered  a  PC system from S & S Wholesalers, Inc. of Miami Beach, FL on Jan
>28, 1987.
> ...
>I  was  told  that it shipped on Wednesday, 28 Jan, the same day that I ordered
>it, but the postage indicateds that it was shipped Monday, 9 Feb.  I still have
>not received the monitor.

I have only dealt with S & S Wholesalers once, but I must say that I was
quite satisfied with their response.  I ordered a SC1224 color monitor,
paid by personal check, which they said they would hold for 2 weeks.
They shipped the monitor 14 days after they received my order and they
paid for all the postage.

I was very pleased.

-Dale
--
    seismo!noao!mcdsun!nud!df    602/438-5739    ihnp4!mot!nud!df

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Date: 17 MAR 87 10:09-N
From: ZRFA1%DS0RUS51.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu
To: INFO-ATARI16 @ SU-SCORE.ARPA
Subject:Extension boards for the new Mega Ataris

In an interview with a german magazine Shiraz Shivij said
that Atari has finished the development of a board with the
68881 on it. Does somebody (Neil) know when this board will
be available, and which languages are going to support it.
On the hannover fair i asked somebody of Prospero, an english
company which has a good fortran compiler for the Atari. They
didn't even know, that Atari has developed that board.
In german Atari advertisements the board is allready cited.

In the same interview Shiraz Shivij said that they have a
LAN-board for lokal area networking in a Vax environement.
Does somebody know wether TCP/IP, Decnet or something else
is used.
It would also be nice to be able to combine the to boards in
one machine. Are there any more boards planned?

                                Ulrich Lang (ZRFA1@DS0RUS1I)

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Date: 16 Mar 87 17:53:35 GMT
From: mcvax!ukc!dcl-cs!bath63!pes@seismo.css.gov  (Paul Smee)
Subject: Re: 520 in Canada
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Sounds like the thingie (popular over here) which a lot of the dealers sell
as a '520ST+' -- as far as I know, it's a standard Atari 520ST which they've
then brought up to 1 Meg using a third party upgrade.  They seem to be very
popular, particularly if you need a modulator and want a Meg.  (I don't know
if 1040's with modulators exist elsewhere in the world, but they don't seem
to in the UK.

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Date: 17 Mar 87 01:28:25 GMT
From: mcvax!botter!ark!kleef@seismo.css.gov  (Patrick van Kleef)
Subject: Re: a few questions/whatever
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <870315235404.01d@nmfecc.arpa> PSIMON%PPC.MFENET@NMFECC.ARPA writes:
>A few questions/whatever:
>
>   I am very interested in the image processing program described by Patrick
>van Kleef (attempts to reach you personally via e-mail have failed, Patrick).
>Is this program available here in the states? If not, could I get it from you,
>Patrick? Snail-mail would be necessary for such a beast.
>
>Thanks,
>--Patrick Simon   PSIMON%PPC.MFENET@NMFECC.ARPA   or   Q3971@PUCC.BITNET
>

AIM has been sent to the Atarinet Fileserver in Houston.
There you may download it with 7 images that are used in
a demo. The program and the
images + the demo-control file may be downloaded from there.

To get to the fileserver from BITNET, use address

UH-INFO@UHUPVM1 and type ATARINET INDEX or ATARINET NEWS

From usenet, send a message to UACE0@UHUPVM1 and ask for
the AIM-set. Mike will send it to you then. (When he
returns from Holiday).

I CANNOT snailmail (call it a mental disability :) to
y'all. Alex L. at Atari is the only exception I make ;)

BTW, the files may show up on other servers too, as it
is one h*ll of a program! (Credit to Technical University
of Delft, The Netherlands)

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Date: 16 Mar 87 16:18:00 GMT
From: mcvax!unido!qtecmuc!ger@seismo.css.gov
Subject: Port Microsoft-C to Atari ST - (nf)
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu


Hi there,

I need some information about the Atari ST, since I don't have one, but
have to do a port of a C-Program, written on an IBM-PC with
Microsoft-C 4.0, to the ST. The program consists of 12 (may be more) C-moduls,
which are seperatly compiled and then linked together on the PC.

-Which C-compiler would you recommend, concerning compatibility with
 the MS-compiler.
-Are there any libraries for the RS-232 port, since there seem to be some
 problems with the hardware handshake. (I have to use 9600 bps)
-How can I control text-colors and attributes (Highlighted or inverted)
 on the ST (ESC-sequences preferred).

Thank you in advance
Gerhard Pehland
Quantec Tonstudiotechnik, Munich W-Germany
mcvax!unido!qtecmuc!ger

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Date: 17 Mar 87 00:30:41 GMT
From: dayton!viper!john@rutgers.rutgers.edu  (John Stanley)
Subject: Re: a 68010 for your st?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <574@tc-fletch.tc.fluke.COM> fletch@tc.fluke.COM (Fletcher Holmquist)
 writes:
 >
 >When I have the ability to make cartridges, I plan on making a cartridge to
 >allow TOS to run on the 68010.  The vector base register will allow all
 >exceptions to be intercepted, even if apps redefine the vectors.
 >

Good luck.  I'm looking forward to hearing more about your plans for this..

 >.......  I am disappointed that the code in ROM was not written in a way to
 >be compatible with the 68010 chip.  Apparenty the Amiga OS was.
 >

I've been discussing this with a small group of Amiga users.  They are having
the same problems upgrading to 68010's as we are.  Aparently there
is either an alternate "kick-start" disk for use with 68010 Amigas and/or
there are some people experimenting with a method of detecting the different
CPU's and booting the correct Amiga os based on what's in the machine.

  Either way, it means they have two different operating systems for the
different cpus.  This is a major problem all users wanting to upgrade are
going to have to face regardless of the machine (ST or Amiga) they're using.

---
John Stanley (john@viper.UUCP)
Software Consultant - DynaSoft Systems
UUCP: ...{amdahl,ihnp4,rutgers}!{meccts,dayton}!viper!john

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Date: 17 Mar 87 01:39:49 GMT
From: dayton!viper!john@rutgers.rutgers.edu  (John Stanley)
Subject: Re: Adding another Hard Drive??
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <659@atari.UUCP> dyer@atari.UUCP (Landon Dyer) writes:
 >
 >The Adaptec controller will indeed support more than one drive.
 >The current AHDI.PRG hard disk driver does not support more than
 >one drive per controller.  And naturally, Atari does not
 >encourage or condone such modifications to the hardware....
 >

Well, I suppose that's suppost to be helpful??

People are asking serious questions about how to expand their storage
and all you can say is "Atari doesn't encourage it...."?

---
John Stanley (john@viper.UUCP)
Software Consultant - DynaSoft Systems
UUCP: ...{amdahl,ihnp4,rutgers}!{meccts,dayton}!viper!john

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Date: 17 Mar 87 02:36:51 GMT
From: dayton!viper!john@rutgers.rutgers.edu  (John Stanley)
Subject: Re: Working 4 meg ST
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <4370@utah-cs.UUCP> atwell@utah-cs.UUCP (Bart L. Atwell) writes:
 >
 >I just talked to a guy from tech-specialties (one of the companies
 >who sells expandable memory upgrade boards) who said that they had
 >a working upgrade to 4 megabytes running.  I can post their address
 >and phone if anybody is interested (I left it at home).
 >

If it's an expansion for the 1040, then by all means, POST IT!!

(chanting in background...four-meg, four-meg, four-meg, four-meg, four-meg...)

---
John Stanley (john@viper.UUCP)
Software Consultant - DynaSoft Systems
UUCP: ...{amdahl,ihnp4,rutgers}!{meccts,dayton}!viper!john

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Date: 17 Mar 87 00:50:04 GMT
From: dayton!viper!john@rutgers.rutgers.edu  (John Stanley)
Subject: Re: A Plea for SCSI
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

I also would like to put in my 3 cents worth on the subject....

I was also very disapointed when, after waiting for the "new Atari ST
machines with a built-in hard disk interface" (what was originaly
quoted as being in the new machines), I hear storys about how you have
to get a "special" drive(s) to use with the ST.  I bought my ST, got
a Supra hard disk and am in general pleased, -but-, there is -NO-
reason I can think of for the ST's (or especially the new TT's) to
continue to ignore a well established standard in favor of a poorly
documented DMA port that nothing in the known universe (except ST
peripherals) can use.

  The SCSI standard would give expanded capabilities at reduced cost
(remember someone saying something about "Power without the price!"??).
The current crop of ST hard disks, while a great acomplisment by the
people who are dealing with slower drives to allow for the necessary
protocol translations, are inferior to the standard run-of-the-mill
SCSI drives available in larger capacities at -much- lower cost...

  If you're going to provide "standard printer ports" and "standard
RS-232 ports" then for gods sake, -why- not support a well established
DMA/hard-disk standard???

---
John Stanley (john@viper.UUCP)
Software Consultant - DynaSoft Systems
UUCP: ...{amdahl,ihnp4,rutgers}!{meccts,dayton}!viper!john

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Date: 17 Mar 87 01:20:16 GMT
From: dayton!viper!john@rutgers.rutgers.edu  (John Stanley)
Subject: Re: twister.prg ???
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <8703102314.AA10864@ncsc.ARPA> moore@NCSC.ARPA (Moore) writes:
 >
 >Does TWISTER.PRG, published in this quarter's STart, work?  [Background: the
 >program formats floppies such that each track has its sector numbers offset
 >by two from the previous track, so that double reads of a single track caused
 >by seek and settle times are eliminated].  It sure sounds like it should work,
 >but I don't notice any difference at all!
 >

Jim, from my understanding, the advantages from Twister formatted disks
comes when copying large files.  When you copy many smaller files, the
head must interrupt it's Twister enhanced read/write, go to the track
and sector where the directory is held, do some processing, and then
move back to the place where it was in the Twister sequence.  This
destroys the timing.  Also if you have lots of smaller files spread
across several tracks/sectors where there are gaps, thi will also'
cause timing problems.

To best see the difference copy a large** file to a twister disk and
another disk.  Then try reading/copying that file with any program
that can copy/read the file at a -very- high rate.  The twister disk
will read so fast you won't beleive it...

---
John Stanley (john@viper.UUCP)
Software Consultant - DynaSoft Systems
UUCP: ...{amdahl,ihnp4,rutgers}!{meccts,dayton}!viper!john

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Date: 16 Mar 87 05:53:08 GMT
From:
 ihnp4!alberta!mnetor!utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watrose!jafischer@ucbvax.Berkeley
.EDU
Subject: Re: 520 in Canada
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

>    A 1040 ST Package *marked* 520 ST on the exterior.
>    It came with a single sided internal drive and monitor.
    This is the packaging that all 520's have been sold in for a couple of
months now, in Canada.  As far as is obvious to the eye, it contains a 1040
motherboard with only one row of 256K chips instead of two... yes, someone
told me that to upgrade to 1 Meg it IS as simple as plugging in the second
row of chips.  Still a lot of soldering, but much simpler than the old piggy
back method.
    The other difference is that it contains the RF modulator.  The only
problem with this packaging is that it forces the buyer to be stuck with a
single sided drive.  Of course you can always buy a second DS drive, but
I've found that mixing a SS and DS drive doesn't make much sense.  I had
such a configuration once, and all my disks eventually migrated over to
DS, and I sold my SS drive.
    Canada is one of Atari's test markets, and that is why we usually see
such products before the much larger US market.  The 1040 was in Canada about
2 months before its introduction in the states, if I remember correctly.
    Gee, I wonder if that means we'll get the Megas first...
--
        - Jonathan Fischer   (jafischer@watrose.UUCP)
            or ...watmath!watrose!jafischer

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