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Info-Atari16 Digest   Sunday, March 22, 1987   Volume 87 : Issue 137

This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield

Today's Topics:

            Re: 68020 Box, laser printer, Eastern Pa. Expo
                      help! vro_cpyfm, vrt_cpyfm
                     Re: Bad monitor, Bad service
                      Re: Request for propaganda
                       Re: a 68010 for your st?
                     Re: Bad monitor, Bad service
                      Re: Request for propaganda
                     Re: a few questions/whatever
                    Re: RE: RE: Flaming Atari....
               Re: problems with comp.binaries.atari.st
                       Re: a 68010 for your st?
                          Re: laser printer

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Date: 17 Mar 87 07:11:04 GMT
From: ihnp4!alberta!ubc-vision!fornax!chapman@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (John
 Chapman)
Subject: Re: 68020 Box, laser printer, Eastern Pa. Expo
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

>
> At the Desktop Publishing seminar we saw output from ATARI's
> laserprinter.  The quality of the output was exaclty the same (if not
> better) than that of the Apple Laserwriter.  The Laserprinter can
> print up to 300 X 300 DPI.  In order to layout a full page at 300 X
> 300, you'll need about 4 megs.  This is because the LaserPrinter has

This is not the first time I have seen this number (4mb) and it is way
off the mark. A standard 8.5"*11" page requires

 300*8.5 * 300*11 bits
=2550 * 3300 bits
=8415000 bits
=1050000 bytes approximately
Add about 30% for legal size.
These are actually inflated since the canon engines only get within
about a 1/4" of the edge of the page.
Add what you want for font storage and you are still way, way below
4mb.

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Date:     Tue, 17 Mar 87 08:47 EDT
From:     <JANKOWSJ%UNION.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu>
Subject:  help! vro_cpyfm, vrt_cpyfm
To:       info-atari16@su-score.arpa
X-Original-To:  info-atari16@su-score.arpa, JANKOWSJ

         Dear G.E.M. Hackers,

             Is there any-hacker in this universe that can assist me in
         finding information about working with the G.E.M. functions

         vro_cpyfm(handle,copy_logic,xy_array,psource_mfdb,pdest_mfdb);
         vrt_cpyfm(handle,writing_mode,xy_array,psource_mfdb,pdest,col);

             These two functions are used primarily to copy memory from
         screen device to ram-memory of visa-versa.  However, I would
         like to be able to copy from memory to memory or visa-versa.
         Can this be accomplished with these functions or am I living in
         a fantasy.

             If there is some documentation on these functions that are
         a little more in-depth than Digital's "GEM PROGRAMMERS GUIDE
         VOL. II" of "PROGRAMMER'S GUIDE TO GEM"  please drop me a few
         bytes.

                                          Sincerely,
                                                C.R.T.

                                                JANKOWSJ@UNION.BITNET

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Date: 17 Mar 87 00:54:40 GMT
From: imagen!atari!leavens@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Alex Leavens)
Subject: Re: Bad monitor, Bad service
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

>     My monitor developped a glitch a little while ago that takes the form
> of the image shifting left to right or right to left at random interval and
> random distances. The distance is usually less thatn 5 mm and the entire image
> usually shifts, though occasionally I also notice horizontal spikes and wave-
> ering.

  Sounds like your video shifter chip might be flaking out.  Try reseating
it, and if that doesn't work, replacing it.

--alex @ Atari

BIX:alexl.            GEnie: ALEXLEAVENS      AtariCorp: 408-745-2006

"How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all."

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Date: 17 Mar 87 19:17:46 GMT
From: viking!leif@sun.com  (Leif Samuelsson)
Subject: Re: Request for propaganda
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <995@imagen.UUCP> turner@imagen.UUCP (D'arc Angel) writes:
>  There is a port of GNUemacs for the ST, it was posted to the net
>  awhile ago, if you want it send me $3 and a mailing address and i
>  will send you the programs on a SSDD disk.

No Jim, it was not a port of GNU EMACS, but a version of MicroEmacs
made to be command compatible with GNU. The real GNU EMACS is much
bigger and has a lot more functionality. It will probably be a while
before we see it on an Atari.

I am still waiting for Epsilon to be available for the ST. It is a
commercial EMACS that has been around for PC-DOS for a few years and
has been getting rave reviews on the net. Does anyone know who makes
it?

/Leif

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Date: 17 Mar 87 20:22:30 GMT
From: cmcmanis@sun.com  (Chuck McManis)
Subject: Re: a 68010 for your st?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <682@viper.UUCP>, john@viper.UUCP (John Stanley) writes:
> I've been discussing this with a small group of Amiga users.  They are having
> the same problems upgrading to 68010's as we are.  Aparently there
> is either an alternate "kick-start" disk for use with 68010 Amigas and/or
> there are some people experimenting with a method of detecting the different
> CPU's and booting the correct Amiga os based on what's in the machine.
>
>   Either way, it means they have two different operating systems for the
> different cpus.  This is a major problem all users wanting to upgrade are
> going to have to face regardless of the machine (ST or Amiga) they're using.
>

John is mistaken, the Amiga will boot with either a 68010 or a 68020
as the main processor. In the first case you simply replace the 68000
chip with an '010 and reboot. In the second you will need the CSA
adapter card since the '020 and '000 are not pin compatible. The
only problem you encounter arises from people using the dreaded
MOV  SR, EA instruction, which *none* of the C compilers generate.
(I understand TDI modula-2 may) There is an O/S function call to
get the SR in a compatible way no matter what chip is installed.
Also there is a program to install an exception handler for misbehaving
programs but the OS totally and transparently supports the higher
level chips. DRI was exceptionally short sited in not providing that
support in GEM.

Summary : The Amiga can run '000, '010, and '020 processors without a
change in the O/S or system software. All programs written in C work
also.

            -- Inews filler.
            -- Inews filler.


--
--Chuck McManis
uucp: {anywhere}!sun!cmcmanis   BIX: cmcmanis  ARPAnet: cmcmanis@sun.com
These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you.

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Date: 17 Mar 87 14:00:14 GMT
From: imagen!turner@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (D'arc Angel)
Subject: Re: Bad monitor, Bad service
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

in article <665@atari.UUCP>, leavens@atari.UUCP (Alex Leavens) says:
+---------------------------------------------------------
+
++     My monitor developped a glitch a little while ago that takes the form
++ of the image shifting left to right or right to left at random interval and
++ random distances. The distance is usually less thatn 5 mm and the entire
 image
++ usually shifts, though occasionally I also notice horizontal spikes and wave-
++ ering.
+
+   Sounds like your video shifter chip might be flaking out.  Try reseating
+ it, and if that doesn't work, replacing it.
if you have a one meg upgrade, you might check the connections also
the MMU, try reseating it too. one caveat, if you are not a level 1
hardware magic user don't go pulling chips and reseating them, take
it to your dealer, he may charge you but its better than having to
pay him to repair an 'accident'.

C'est la vie, C'est la guerre, C'est la pomme de terre
Mail:    Imagen Corp. 2650 San Tomas Expressway Santa Clara, CA 95052-8101
UUCP:    ...{decvax,ucbvax}!decwrl!imagen!turner      AT&T: (408) 986-9400

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Date: 17 Mar 87 13:54:10 GMT
From: imagen!turner@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (D'arc Angel)
Subject: Re: Request for propaganda
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

in article <664@atari.UUCP>, leavens@atari.UUCP (Alex Leavens) says:
+ in article <395@laurel.wiley.UUCP>, bob@wiley.UUCP (Bob Amstadt) says:
++       1. Has Atari upgraded their OS to include some form
++        of multitasking? If not does someone else supply a multitasking
++        OS? What about MINIX?
+
+            No, our OS is not multi-tasking.  There are a couple of multi-
+            tasking OS's available:
+                 MT-Cshell, from Beckemeyer Development tools
+                 OS-9 from MicroWare
there is a port of MINIX being done by Tannebaum's group, i'm afraid
that i don't know the current status
+
++     3. Who supplies what hard disks for the ST?
+        Atari makes the SH204, a 20 meg hard disc.
+            Supra makes a couple of hard discs for the ST.
Berkeley Micro System's make a board that will allow you to attach
up to 2 SCSI hard disks to the ST.
+
++     5. Does GNU emacs or a micro emacs run on the ST?
+            There are a couple of good PD MicroEMACS available.
+            I use MicroEmacs 3.7i, which I find is a good tool.
There is a port of GNUemacs for the ST, it was posted to the net
awhile ago, if you want it send me $3 and a mailing address and i
will send you the programs on a SSDD disk.

C'est la vie, C'est la guerre, C'est la pomme de terre
Mail:    Imagen Corp. 2650 San Tomas Expressway Santa Clara, CA 95052-8101
UUCP:    ...{decvax,ucbvax}!decwrl!imagen!turner      AT&T: (408) 986-9400

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Date: 17 Mar 87 17:23:26 GMT
From: imagen!atari!leavens@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Alex Leavens)
Subject: Re: a few questions/whatever
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

in article <870315235404.01d@nmfecc.arpa>, PSIMON%PPC.MFENET@NMFECC.ARPA says:
>
> A few questions/whatever:
>
>    Alex Leavens, what is the official upgrade policy for 1st Word, Neochrome,
> and (am I dreaming) ST Basic?
>
    1st Word--If you don't have version 1.06, you can get it from us.  DUe
to contractual difficulties, we will not be releasing 1st Word Plus.

    NeoChrome--NeoChrome 1.0 is _not_ public domain--we're selling it, and
it should be available at your dealer.

    ST Basic--should happen Real Soon Now (knock on wood).

--alex @ Atari

BIX:alexl.            GEnie: ALEXLEAVENS      AtariCorp: 408-745-2006

"How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all."

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Date: 17 Mar 87 17:27:21 GMT
From: imagen!atari!leavens@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Alex Leavens)
Subject: Re: RE: RE: Flaming Atari....
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

>    BTW the '_' bug is VERY serious, people like you and me just
> shrug their shoulders when they stumble on a bug like that and just don't
> use underscores in paths anymore, but I've seen and heard from a number
> of casual users which got a nasty shock from this bug (ever lost a 10 page
> doc just thru pressing '_'?).

  Ya know, it's funny, but just after I posted my message back to you,
I hosed myself with the underscore bug.  Sigh.  Just goes to show ya--
'Programmer Infallability.'  <Big Grin>

--alex @ Atari

BIX:alexl.            GEnie: ALEXLEAVENS      AtariCorp: 408-745-2006

"How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all."

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Date: 17 Mar 87 10:03:07 GMT
From: cbmvax!grr@RUTGERS.EDU  (George Robbins)
Subject: Re: problems with comp.binaries.atari.st
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <983@imagen.UUCP> turner@imagen.UUCP (D'arc Angel) writes:
>
>I have gotten a lot of mail form people asking where did
>comp.binaries.atari.st go so i did some checking and it turns out
>that the group was never created ( heaven knows what happened to the
>postings). Anywho i am working with the net-powers-that-be to see if
>this is a bug in news v2.11 or did i screw up. Please be patient and
>we will try to sort this out as quickly as we can.

It was created at this end of the world.  Typically, you need to create it
yourself, have several of the net.gods create it and then a random sites
will also create it.

After that, use generally increases the availability factor.

Also note that it is important for you, as the moderator to try to maximize
your own fan-out.  One slow to respond site can wipe out your netwide
distribution otherwise.  Many sites will cooperate in setting up single-
group news exchanges.  Wanna set up a reciprocal daily-dial for this?
--
George Robbins - now working for,    uucp: {ihnp4|seismo|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
but no way officially representing    arpa: cbmvax!grr@seismo.css.GOV
Commodore, Engineering Department    fone: 215-431-9255 (only by moonlite)

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Date: 17 Mar 87 12:54:38 GMT
From: cbmvax!grr@RUTGERS.EDU  (George Robbins)
Subject: Re: a 68010 for your st?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <682@viper.UUCP> john@viper.UUCP (John Stanley) writes:
>
>I've been discussing this with a small group of Amiga users.  They are having
>the same problems upgrading to 68010's as we are.  Aparently there
>is either an alternate "kick-start" disk for use with 68010 Amigas and/or
>there are some people experimenting with a method of detecting the different
>CPU's and booting the correct Amiga os based on what's in the machine.
>
>  Either way, it means they have two different operating systems for the
>different cpus.  This is a major problem all users wanting to upgrade are
>going to have to face regardless of the machine (ST or Amiga) they're using.
>
>John Stanley (john@viper.UUCP) Software Consultant - DynaSoft Systems

I truely hope this will not be the beginning of another flame war!!!

The Amiga operating system was *designed* to work with 68000's, 68010's and
68020's interchangably, and does so remarkably well in the current 1.2
software release, thank you.

Some third party software writers were less cautious of this and other
expansion issues and as a result their *application* software fails to work
on enhanced systems.  There are a number of little band-aids available that
are intended to make this crippled software work in the 68010/020 environment.

The whole problem should go away when software authors and marketeers realize
that the Amiga is not a single machine, but rather a family of highly
compatible machines with differing features.

Persons finding any processor dependent bugs in the software are of course
encouraged to forward bug reports to Commodore, so that these things can
be fixed in our next software release.
--
George Robbins - now working for,    uucp: {ihnp4|seismo|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
but no way officially representing    arpa: cbmvax!grr@seismo.css.GOV
Commodore, Engineering Department    fone: 215-431-9255 (only by moonlite)

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Date: 17 Mar 87 23:33:09 GMT
From: labrea!rocky!ali@decwrl.dec.com  (Ali Ozer)
Subject: Re: laser printer
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <667@atari.UUCP> leavens@atari.UUCP (Alex Leavens) writes:
>  The 8 pages a minute figure is correct.  I've never even _heard_ of a laser
>printer that'll do 30 pages a minute...

We have several laser printers capable of printing at 100 pages/minute here!
I'm not sure what their real names are, but they were built by Xerox in mid
70s. (We know them as "dover" printers.) They do go down once in a while,
and they do cost a lot of operate, but, when they're printing, they're flying!
And I'm sure there are other laser printers out there capable of doing
30 pages/minute...

Ali Ozer, ali@rocky.stanford.edu

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