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Info-Atari16 Digest   Friday, August  4, 1989   Volume 89 : Issue 364

This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield

Today's Topics:

                   DeskJets and Atari Parallel Port
                              Data Free
                 Re: DeskJets and Atari Parallel Port
                       Flash/Shadow and QuickST
              Re: Why is Pexec() getting flaky on my ST?
                           TeX on Atari ST
                                 GDOS
                             ZOO sources
                     RE: COLD BOOT in GFA Basic.
                Re: boot problem with Seagate ST 157N
                Re: VIP PROFESSIONAL AND ARCHIVE SITE
                         Re: Folded vs STedi
                      Re: CMI Accelerator Board

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Date: 26 Jul 89 18:25:28 GMT
From: hp-pcd!hpvcfs1!neff@hplabs.hp.com  (Dave Neff)
Subject: DeskJets and Atari Parallel Port
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

I have been conspicuously silent with respect to the Atari ST parallel port
current sink limit and DeskJet/DeskJet+ pullup resistors.
You see, here's my dilema:  The Atari ST is not officially
supported for use with the DeskJet printers.  This means we have not
tested the printer and our support people will be next to useless in
resolving problems.  They won't tell you to "take a hike, its not supported",
rather our support people simply lack Atari expertise to help with any
significant technical problems.

Furthermore, I am unable to test and verify any of the proposed solutions
to the current limit problem.  Using the 7407 buffer on the data and strobe
lines should work fine, but as an HP representative I cannot say this is the
"HP recommended" solution.  You also could use the serial port at 19.2 K
baud (in most cases this will not hurt performance) but I have been told
by Atari users there are various gotchas when trying to print out the
serial port.  I still fail to understand how the DeskJet+ could damage
an Atari, even though there is one case of anecdotal evidence to the
contrary.  The current limit could result in marginal logic levels
on data and especially strobe, but if the Atari can only sink 1.6ma
thats fine, and if the printer tries to draw more the Atari simply cannot
supply it -- how can this damage the Atari?  If I had an Atari I would
definately buffer the parallel port with the 7407 for logic level
reliability if nothing else.

If you have sent me mail about this problem and I haven't answered
I'm sorry and I hope this posting explains the situation somewhat.
I hope this posting is at least slightly better than nothing.

I have encouraged our support people to make a specific statement on
Atari support especially relating to the current limit on the parallel
port but so far they have not come up with an official position.

Dave Neff
neff@hpvcfs1.HP.COM

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Date: 26 Jul 89 22:33:38 GMT
From: blake!bissiri@beaver.cs.washington.edu  (Moja Fritzah)
Subject: Data Free
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Phone number for Data Free, anybody????

Thanks

-kevin
bissiri@blake.acs.washington.edu

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Date: 27 Jul 89 01:17:30 GMT
From: avogel@g.ms.uky.edu  (Andrew Lee Vogel)
Subject: Re: DeskJets and Atari Parallel Port
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

I have built a cable with the 7407s and use the Tools TeX driver
with no problems, no problems about turning on the computer and
printer in various orders either.

I do have one question, some hp laserjet drivers work and some don't.
My observation:  Is it the case that the drivers that work have the
                 computer do "everything" while those that don't
                 want to download fonts to the printer?  When attempting
                 to print TeX with a driver that doesn't work the
                 built in printer fonts are used
                 and so a mess is created.

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Date: 24 Jul 89 15:40:14 GMT
From: pacbell!cpro!meadow!bill@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Bill Foster)
Subject: Flash/Shadow and QuickST
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

>
>  when I try to use Flash/Shadow with
> QuickST I have all sorts of problems.  No bombs (but I didn't
> leave QuickST active long enough to know for sure...) but
> QuickST does do a nice job of messing up the VT100/ANSI
> screen commands.  Enough to make the combinationccompletely
> unusable.
> This information is based on an older version of QQuickST. I
> haven't tried the newest version, but one of the authors,

QuickST 1.5 has fixed almost all of the vt52 terminal emulation
descrepencies, except for that of setting colors (doesn't recognize
the codes, prints garbage)  This renders it unusable for me.


                  BFOSTER = GEnie,  WHTB33B = Prodigy
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    {c}     <> Bill Foster <>         |          /|\               {c}
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    {c}            /|\            |        Vegetarians 4-ever      {c}
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             {amdahl,hplabs,decwrl}!pacbell!cpro!meadow!bill

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Date: 27 Jul 89 03:09:36 GMT
From: att!chinet!saj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Stephen Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Why is Pexec() getting flaky on my ST?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Intensive testing of everything I could test intensively (I could still use
an industrial strength RAM test program) really didn't turn anything up.  So
in desperation, I re-copied the hard disk driver into the auto folder on my
boot-up disk.  No more problem.  Go figure.
                                        Steve J.

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Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 89 09:56:29 MEZ
From:         Udo Heinrich <OR160%DBNUOR1.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject:      TeX on Atari ST
To:           INFO-ATARI16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU

Hello!

I want to tell you something about a new Sharware Programm for the
Atari ST. It's called TeX and might be known by everybody. TeX was developed
by E. Knuth in over 10 years hard work. It was written in WEB, a kind of
mega pascal language which is not computer-orientated.
So it was possible to transfirm TeX to "every" kind of computer, also
on the Atari ST.

But what is TeX. I thing some of you know Signum!2 from
Application Systems Heidelberg. TeX is Signum!2 times Signum!2. TeX is a
program that brings your words in the right form, makes for you a
table of contents automatically and footnotes are no more a problem.
But the best of all is the possibility of TeX to make your equation look
like in a book. For example:
You type in:  $(x+y)=xc2+2xy+yc2$ and the result is ...
(Sorry, but the monitor can't show you.)

TeX is like a programming language. You have if-cases and so on.
So you want to know something about TeX? Here is a little literature-list:

-for german users:  Helmut Kopka; LaTeX, eine Einfuehrung; Addison-
                         Wesley Publishing Company; Bonn 2. Auflage 1989
                         (very good, easy to understand, to get results)
-for everyone:  D. E. Knuth; The TeXbook; Addison-Wesley P. C.; 1984
                   (the original, to know everything about TeX)

                L. Lamport; A Document Preparation System; A.-W. P. C.
                   (written by the author of LaTeX, good but I prefare
                    H. Kopka)


TeX knows all features you need to write a nice letter, your works and
everything else. Another helpful thing ist that you can write your
TeX-text on an editor by your choice. TeX-inputfiles are always
ASCII-Files. So you can copy some files from your VMS- or SUN-machine
and work with it at home (but the up-side-down way is quite more
interesting, because of the possibility to use the laser-printer
of your university and so on).

But what's the new on this 5th version of TeX on Atari ST computers?

Really easy to understand, when I tell you that it is translated into
Turbo-C and compiled. This version is much more faster than the other
and not so expensive because it is shareware.

The price for this TeX-version incl. a shell, a screen- and a print-
previewer, fonts, a short-instruction and several style-files (you need
them to write a book, article, report, letter, descriptions,...), LaTeX
and the 'german-language-file',... is 20 Deutsche Marks for a unregistrated
version and 60 Deutsche Mark for a registrated version. The registrated version
incl. one backup and a note for every following backups and
online-telephone-help for your problems. The package incl. 3 disks
packed by ARC (ARC is incl.; makes something about 6 Deutsche Marks for
one disk).

And where can you get that really good stuff??

             Stefan Lindner
             Iltisstrasse 3
             8510 Fuerth
             West Germany

(if you don't live in West German call Mr. Lindner first, because of
the price!)

If you order a version please note, that the price above is the price
for orders in West Germany, other lands have different prices because
of the post costs.

If you order a version please write a note that you got the information
from like this:

     "Informations about this TeX version by Udo Heinrich, #00091!"

If you want some more informations send OONNEE SSMMAALL note to me.

Hope the information was useful

                         Udo Heinrich

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Date: 27 Jul 89 05:28:08 GMT
From: blake!themod@beaver.cs.washington.edu  (Chris Hinton)
Subject: GDOS
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

  Hello, I just got a spreadsheet program off the net.  Maybe you too have
seen it, its called Opus and it seems to be just the thing I have been looking
for.  But, alas, there is one small problem.  In order to do charting from
the program one has to have GDOS.  Well, I thought, I'll just pull the GDOS
stuff off my DEGAS disk and use it here.  No, that didn't work.
  To make a long story short, if that is still possible, does anybody out
there have any idea how to get this damn thing to work.  I sure haven't
figured it out yet.
  You can either mail me a reply, or post your response here.  Makes no diff
to me.
  Thanks in advance.

Chris Hinton ---- themod@blake.acs.washington.edu
Mod Software Systems
Seattle, Wa  98195

"Why didn't you tell me he had one of those... things?" - The Joker.
"My life is really...complex." - Bruce Wayne.
"Excuse me...  What does God need with a starship?" - James T. Kirk.

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Date:     Thu, 27 Jul 89 14:38 N
From:     <AWINFHAH%HMARL5.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject:  ZOO sources
To:       info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
X-Original-To:  info-atari16@score.stanford.edu, AWINFHAH

Does anybody know where I can obtain the sources of ZOO? I do not have
access to FTP, but I can access most mail servers.

Thanks in advance,
-Roger

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Date:     Thu, 27 Jul 89 15:12 N
From:     <TOXI_CE%HNYKUN51.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject:  RE: COLD BOOT in GFA Basic.
To:       info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
X-Original-To:  atari16, TOXI_CE

Subject:  RE: COLD BOOT RESET GFA CODE

>    I'm armed only with the GFA version 2.0 manual, nothing else.  I
>am looking for GFA VERSION 2.0 code that will cause a COLD BOOT.  Many
>thanks....

>Larry Rymal in wet and flooded East Texas <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET>

I wonder why you would want to do a cold boot in GFA-basic, but I think
this will do it:

Slpoke &H420,0          ! Clear Memvalid (makes next boot COLD)
Void Gemdos(32,L:0)     ! Go in to supervisor mode
'                          you can void the result, since there is
'                          no return form a reset
Reset%=Lpeek(4)         ! Get reset vector
Call Reset%             ! Jump there

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

                             Chris Evelo
                             TOXI_CE@HNYKUN51 (BITNET/EARN)
                                 |
                                 an underscore _ not -.

will change to: MFAGKCHR@HMARL5

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Date: 27 Jul 89 04:15:04 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!Xorg@uunet.uu.net  (Peter Ted Szymonik)
Subject: Re: boot problem with Seagate ST 157N
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Try setting the HD to an even SCSI setting (0,2,4) Seagates seem to have
a problem with odd SCSI numbers with the ST.

Peter Szymonik
Xorg@cup.portal.com

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Date: 27 Jul 89 13:10:14 GMT
From: cs.dal.ca!silvert@uunet.uu.net  (Bill Silvert)
Subject: Re: VIP PROFESSIONAL AND ARCHIVE SITE
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <ID1198.D890722.T134723.CHIASSA@UDEM> CHIASSA@UDEM.BITNET (Alyre
 CHIASSON) writes:
> I just purchased VIP PROFESSIONAL yesterday and as the shrink wrap
> looks old and manual has a 1986 copyright date I was wondering if
> someone could tell me the version number of the latest release.

My version, which is I believe the latest, is 1.2.  The GEM verson
(PROFESS.PRG) carries a copyright date of 1986, the Lotus look-alike
version is copyright 1987, but both are 1.2.

--
Bill Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division.
Bedford Institute of Oceanography, Dartmouth, NS, Canada B2Y 4A2
	UUCP: ...!{uunet,watmath}!dalcs!biomel!bill
	Internet: biomel@cs.dal.CA	BITNET: bs%dalcs@dalac.BITNET

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Date: 26 Jul 89 22:07:28 GMT
From: portal!atari!kbad@uunet.uu.net  (Ken Badertscher)
Subject: Re: Folded vs STedi
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

t19@nikhefh.hep.nl (Geert J v Oldenborgh) writes:

| I just played around a bit with Folded.
[ benchmarks deleted ]
| I still do not like its concept of folding-by-indentation or seperate file
| too much.  The info in the file does not look too bad.

I'm sorry, but that fold info looked pretty nasty to me.  I really like
the way Todd has implemented the folding, using separate files.  I imagine
this scheme must make the relational features of FOLDED easier to implement
as well (and thus, easier for us to hack on! ;-).

Your points about speed are right on, though - FOLDED could use quite a bit
of optimizing.  As you mentioned, though, Todd does explain in the
documentation that it was brought up to be small and functional, and not
necessarily a speed demon.

One thing I really like is the way the screen redraws (from the line
you're on outwards).  But I too wish that it didn't redraw quite so much ;-).




--
   |||   Ken Badertscher  (ames!atari!kbad)
   |||   Atari R&D System Software Engine
  / | \  #include <disclaimer>

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Date: 27 Jul 89 07:35:03 GMT
From: well!stevef@apple.com  (Steven Robert Fordyce)
Subject: Re: CMI Accelerator Board
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article 18478 of comp.sys.atari.st Michael B Vederman writes:
> Well, after having waited with bated breath for the CMI accelerator board, I
> would like to share my experiences with the rest of the net...

[Stuff deleted]

> CMI missed the first deadline, but promised that the board would go out in the
> second week.  This is not unusual (missing a release date) so I waited.  By
> the middle of the second week, I called CMI to confirm everything was on
> schedule for me to receive my board.  "No problem, we will ship by Friday."
>
> Friday July 14 rolls around, and I call CMI.  "Your board has been shipped
> second day (blue label) UPS.  You should get it Tuesday."  Finally, I thought.
> Tuesday rolled around, and no delivery.  The people at work were getting tired
> of my ranting "Come on U.P.S. lady. (We have a female carrier)"  So, I
> thought, maybe it will get here Wednesday, you know how things are.
>
> By Wednesday, July 19, at 5 pm, when the UPS lady made her final pickup, I
> had *NO* accelerator board.  So, I called CMI.  I spoke with Mark
> something-er-other (Lilliane Carter's boss -she has been pleasent when I
> spoke to her), and he said, "All boards were shipped today."  Sure, I
> thought, sure.  "But I was told they shipped Friday."  "They didn't and I
> was the ***hole who told Lilliane to tell everyone they did."  "How do I
> know you shipped today?"  "You don't, and I don't care if you don't believe
> me."  Hmmph!

Mr Vederman was never intentionally misled -- we would have nothing to gain
by doing so.  For our part in the confusion we apologize.  There was a
delay in shipping the boards and for that I also apologize.  We all did
everything we could to get the product out on schedule, and I think it is safe
to say we were just as anxious to get it out as anyone was to receive it, if not
much more so.  But we are human, and I am very sorry about any inconvenience
the delay caused anyone.  The boards, are now shipping, and have been for a
couple of weeks.

> Friday rolls around, and after a delay from UPS, I got the board.  Looks nice,
> although they used the Amiga box cover (no big deal).  Instructions, all
> parts, can't wait to get home and install it.
>
> Begin the trouble.  The directions are clear enough if you want to do
> a piggy-back method, but my ST already had a socket for the 68000, so now
 what?
> According to the manual, you have to cut 3 pins for the piggy-back, and use
> "fly-wires" to connect the board to the ST.  Do I need this for the socket
> installation?  No answer in the manual.  Trial and error, showed that they
> were not needed.

Actually, there are instructions for installing our product in an ST with
the processor removed, and they are different from the piggy-back method
and there are some fly-wires necessary.  Mr Vederman went on to say that
that neither his disk drive nor his hard disk would work with our board.
This is cause he didn't put in the fly-wires as instructed in the manual.

We did our best to make the manual clear and understandable, but we're human.
I don't believe it's possible to make the manual clear and concise, and
answer everyone's questions.  That's why we have a full time customer
service person.  I've found Lilliane to be quite conscientious in helping
customers with their problems.  Installing our board, or in fact any
product inside an ST, is not for the fainthearted.  Unless they are
comfortable with both circuit boards and soldering irons, we recommend our
customers have their dealers install our product.

Starting today, for people who buy an accelerator directly from us and send
their computer into us, we will install our board for free.  For those who
break their ST trying to install our board themselves, we'll fix it for a
flat $50, including return shipping.


Mr. Vederman did call us, and Lilliane explained his trouble over the
phone.  And he got his board working.  However, he wasn't able to get
FAST-ROM to work for reasons we weren't able to determine over the phone.
(The problem may well have been a defective part on our board.  We do fully
test all of our boards before we ship them, but still a small percentage
fail in the field.)  We offered to fix his machine with our board in it
if he sent it to us (he didn't want to do this because he didn't want to
lose the use of his computer -- quite understandable), or to send him a new
board, or to refund his money.  He chose the latter.  Of course we are
disappointed and are confident a new board would have solved his problem,
but it was his choice.  We've never had any allusions that we could please
everyone.

> Point of story:  I have a $300 paper weight.

No one is ever stuck with one our products.  Within 15 days of getting any
of our products, it may be returned for an reason for a full refund.  And all
of our products also carry a six month warranty.  We guarantee our products
to work and will do what ever it takes to see that they do, or refund the
customers money.

> - Michael B. Vederman

Steven R Fordyce			    tektronix!sequent!calvin!stevef

Creative Microsystems, Inc., 19552 SW 90th Court, Tualatin, Oregon  97062
For customer service call Lilliane at (503)691-2552.

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