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Info-Atari16 Digest Tuesday, January 5, 1988 Volume 88 : Issue 5
This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield
Today's Topics:
Re: Christmas Adventure - Elves87 Part 1 of 4
Re: Multi-tasking? A nightmare...
WordPerfect on ST
Abaq Developer Kits
Info atari instructions.
Re: WordPerfect on ST
Re: Failing Disk Drive & Strange TPA pointer
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Date: 24 Dec 87 15:24:16 GMT
From: hao!scdpyr!cruff@AMES.ARPA (Craig Ruff)
Subject: Re: Christmas Adventure - Elves87 Part 1 of 4
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
In article <250@dalcsug.UUCP> euloth@dalcsug.UUCP (George Seto) writes:
>Here is the first of hopefully many adventures from BOA! which stands
>for Burnt Out Adventurers!. This is a Christmas theme adventure. The
>ST loader will show a little picture before loading the game. ...
^^
Why are comp.sys.mac and comp.sys.ibm being cluttered up with this stuff?
Atari ST binaries, never the less. Please, show some restraint in what
news groups you post this stuff to. It doesn't do us much good to receive
useless ST binaries in comp.sys.mac or comp.sys.ibm!
--
Craig Ruff NCAR INTERNET: cruff@scdpyr.UCAR.EDU
(303) 497-1211 P.O. Box 3000 CSNET: cruff@ncar.CSNET
Boulder, CO 80307 UUCP: cruff@scdpyr.UUCP
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Date: 23 Dec 87 16:50:56 GMT
From: ssc-vax!shuksan!tahoma!hrsw2!bakken@beaver.cs.washington.edu (David E.
Bakken)
Subject: Re: Multi-tasking? A nightmare...
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
In article <533@otto.COM>, rex@otto.COM (Rex Jolliff) writes:
>
> I think, however, that the first time home (or other) computer user will not
> realize or utilize the full potential of Multitasking for quite a while. They
> will have enough fun just making the computer do things one at a time.
>
I can't count how many non-technical types I've shown Amy and they have
no problem comprehending what multitasking can do for them if they are
given a few examples. Once the light goes on they tend to use it often.
Heck, I don't even need to show then Amy - 4 or 5 well chosen sentences
does the trick. Which is why I am really dissapointed (to put it mildly)
that C= has not run commercials that help people to see the light. That
should be easy to accomplish in a 60 second spot, maybe even in 30 seconds.
Peter's commercial idea with Big Blue, Mac, Amy, and the flunky was a
classical case in point.
--
Dave Bakken
Boeing Commercial Airplane Company
uw-beaver!apcisea!tahoma!hrsw2!bakken (206) 234-2039
(generic) disclaimer: these views are my own, not my employers.
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Date: 24 Dec 87 18:55:51 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!RJknees@uunet.uu.net
Subject: WordPerfect on ST
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Hey everyone! I'm looking for someone who has (or has used) WordPefect on
the Atari-ST. I'm thinking of buying this software!
I would be interested in the following:
1. How much faster (if any) is it than WordWriter-ST?
2. Is the spelling checker better than WordWriter-ST or Thunder?
3. Is the GEM interface good?
4. Are there Keyboard Equavilents to the Mouse/Gem commands?
5. Any other opinions or comments RE: Wordproccesing on the ATARI-ST
Thanks a bunch, and MERRY CHRISTMASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Richard...RJknees@cup.portal.com
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Date: 23 Dec 87 22:50:12 GMT
From: portal!atari!neil@uunet.uu.net (Neil Harris)
Subject: Abaq Developer Kits
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Before my mailbox overflows:
There is a program in place for Abaq developers. In the USA, you can get
information on what documentation will be available, and a more complete
look at the Abaq itself, from Atari. In the UK you should go right to
Perihelion.
To get the information package, write to:
Atari Corp.
1196 Borregas Ave.
Sunnyvale, CA 94086
Attn: Cindy Claveran
To become a registered developer of the Abaq, you can get the documentation
package and get news of when developer units will be available. The cost is
$100, sent to the same person listed above.
--
--->Neil Harris, Director of Marketing Communications, Atari Corporation
UUCP: ...{hoptoad, lll-lcc, pyramid, imagen, sun}!atari!neil
GEnie: NHARRIS/ WELL: neil / BIX: neilharris / Delphi: NEILHARRIS
CIS: 70007,1135 / Atari BBS 408-745-5308 / Usually the OFFICIAL Atari opinion
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Date: 25 Dec 87 15:40:24 GMT
From: ravi@mcnc.org (Ravi Subrahmanyan)
Subject: Info atari instructions.
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
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Date: 25 Dec 87 20:27:08 GMT
From: lakesys!rich@csd1.milw.wisc.edu (Rich Dankert)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect on ST
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
In article <2143@cup.portal.com> RJknees@cup.portal.com writes:
>Hey everyone! I'm looking for someone who has (or has used) WordPefect on
>the Atari-ST. I'm thinking of buying this software!
>
>I would be interested in the following:
>
>1. How much faster (if any) is it than WordWriter-ST?
It's faster, and scrolls much better.
>
>2. Is the spelling checker better than WordWriter-ST or Thunder?
Better isn't the word, you gotta see this thing!
>
>3. Is the GEM interface good?
The GEM interface is very good, but due to space limitations
not *all commands are available via Drop Down Menus
>
>4. Are there Keyboard Equavilents to the Mouse/Gem commands?
Yes there are..
>
>5. Any other opinions or comments RE: Wordproccesing on the ATARI-ST
>
Contrary to all the comments from user's of Word Perfect in the
negative aspect, I can say that the version I got didn't have all the
bugs that I had seen mentioned. In fact Word Perfect Corp. is
one of the best software makers that I know of. If you OWN the
program, and have a problem with it, and they have a newer version
of it, they will send it to you, second day air sometimes.
This is one software maker that really backs their product!
>
>Thanks a bunch, and MERRY CHRISTMASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
M E R R Y C H R I S T M A S S and a H A P P Y N E W Y E A R
to you also.
>
>
>Richard...RJknees@cup.portal.com
UUCP: {Ihnp4,uwvax}!uwmcsd1!lakesys!rich
Discalimer: The words,ideas,and expressions are my own, and not nessasarily
always correct, and NO I am not affiliated with Word Perfect Corp. I just
like there product.
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Date: 25 Dec 87 19:45:48 GMT
From: lakesys!rich@csd1.milw.wisc.edu (Rich Dankert)
Subject: Re: Failing Disk Drive & Strange TPA pointer
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
In article <1606@brahma.cs.hw.ac.uk> neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth) writes:
>
>Boo hoo the disk drive on my 1040ST is not working. I know it is the drive
>because I have swapped it in other machines and the problem moved with the
>drive. The symptoms are strange in that it reads every track on a disk fine
>but has trouble writing. I say trouble because sometime it formats a track
>ok sometimes not, but never a whole disk. I had a look at a track it had tried
>to format and found corruption (gap bytes inconsistant & data damaged ie $E5
>corrupted.) If I can't fix this drive I will have to buy a replacement and
>that will kill my slim chance of being able to afford a hard drive.
>I phoned a company that upgrades the internal SS drive in a 520STFM to DS and
>asked if the same drive could be fitted inside a 1040. They said no, which I
>think is pretty strange since I thought (as most do) that the 520STFM was
>just a 1040 with a lesser drive and some RAM missing. Has anyone else put a
>different drive in their 1040 or repaired the original one?
>If so please advise me.
>(Note: Our machines will be down(ish) from 24th Dec to Jan 5th)
I have replaced the 1040 drives with the newer mech's that are
currently shipped as external drives. Have had no problem with doing this
at all.
If I were you, I would clean the head with Freon TF, and get all the
dust that usually seems to collect inside the drive. This is the main problem
that I have seen in the internal drives, other than the eairly drives having
the write protect to go out, in which case I replaced it with a small micro
toggle switch.
I have seen drives that were running slow, and still read the data
onthe disk fine, but didn't write for ^%$#*( . Also have seen some drives
that didn't write well either and the cause was due to a mechanical problem
with a lever mounted for upper head pressure. Problem was due to this lever
being a little loose and thus making alot of noise (like ball bearings inside)
and just getting this a little tighter lessened the vibrations allowing the
drive to again work well.
One other thing that I noticed was that some drives, lost the
ability to turn the disk at proper speed *if the drive was sitting in the
correct position. When I went and turned the drive over (upside down) to
further look at the problem, the problem was gone! Turn the drive back over
and the problem returned, turn it upside down, and the drive worked fine
again. Weird problem. Unfortunatly, the direct drive motor for turning the
media is not available from Atari, so a new drive was installed. One of the
newer external ones. Problem solved....
>
> Neil Forsyth JANET: neil@uk.ac.hw.cs
> Dept. of Computer Science ARPA: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk
> Heriot-Watt University UUCP: ..!ukc!cs.hw.ac.uk!neil
> Edinburgh
> Scotland
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UUCP: {Ihnp4,uwvax}!uwmcsd1!lakesys!rich
Discalimer: The words,ideas,and expressions are my own, and not nessasarily
always correct, but I wouldn't say that I have done it if I didn't.
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