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Info-Atari16 Digest   Friday, January 15, 1988   Volume 88 : Issue 19

This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield

Today's Topics:

                           IO port bits...
                    Re: UniTerm available for FTP
                           WordPerfects???
                       Re:  Microsoft Write ...
                      Re: BMS controller package
                Format of Relocatable Object files???
                  Re: Multi-tasking? An Oppertunity
                       Atari ham radio net info
                            Re: IFF-format
                             What's DVI?
                Re: Need info on 2400 baud modem and C
                             MULTI-TAXING
                          Re: Multiuser BBS
                           Hard disk speed

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Date: 8 Jan 88 06:41:03 GMT
From: orstcs!jacobs!wayrynd@rutgers.edu  (darin wayrynen)
Subject: IO port bits...
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Jonathan Nagy wished to be informed what events are represented by I/O
Port bits 0-7 listed in the MFP 68901 chip interupts...



bit #        function
0            Centronics busy
1            RS-232 data carrier detect
2            RS-232 clear to send
3            reserved(not used)
4            keyboard and Midi interrupt
5            FDC and HDC interrupt
6            RS-232 ring indicator
7            Monochrome monitor detect


  If you need further help in implementing any of these interupts let me know
via e-mail, and I'll help as much as possible.
(I posted this to the net instead of a email due to the fact that it is
something that stumped me for quite awhile, and I hope to save others the
hassle of finding it!)

    Darin Wayrynen
    824 nw 10th
    Corvallis, OR 97330
    wayrynd@jacobs.UUCP

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Date: 7 Jan 88 21:41:32 GMT
From: mcvax!nikhefk!frankg@uunet.uu.net  (Frank Geerling)
Subject: Re: UniTerm available for FTP
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <1848@wiley.UUCP> bob@wiley.UUCP (Bob Amstadt) writes:
>>I have made UniTerm v2.0a (currently 006) available for anonymous FTP
>>on our host cs.orst.edu.  This machine is on the NSFNET, which means
>
>Could we have this posted to comp.binaries.atari.st. Some of
>us don't have access to ARPANET (Well at least not direct access).
>--
>        ---Bob Amstadt
Is comp.binaries.atari.st still alive there haven't been a posting for
weeks.
               Frank Geerling
            (frankg@nikhefk.uucp)

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        NIKHEF-K (DIGEL)
        Postbus 4395
        1009 AJ Amsterdam
        The Netherlands


               Frank Geerling
            (frankg@nikhefk.uucp)


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        NIKHEF-K (PIMU)
        Postbus 4395
        1009 AJ Amsterdam
        The Netherlands

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Date:     Fri, 8 Jan 88 7:31:52 CST
From:     Al Gaspar <gaspar@ALMSA-1.ARPA>
To:       info-atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU
Subject:  WordPerfects???

I've been considering WordPerfect, and I'm getting a little confused.  It's as
if there are two different WordPerfects.  On the one hand, Pavneet Arora writes
from Canada and says:

  >In response to Neil Harris' comment that the support is excellent, I have
  >a few comments of my own:
  >
  >    1. No company,  software or otherwise, should be able to release
  >       a product that doesn't even come close to working.
  >       Bugs are one thing - fatal bugs another.  I use the following
  >       analogy - If I approached WP and asked them to give me
  >       a copy of the software, and then told them that I would pay
  >       them in a few months i.e. whenever I could afford it, I would
  >       not expect them to hand over the package.  And yet, WP has
  >       taken money from users and then handed over a useless package
  >       without ever notifying any of its users that there are problems.
  >       And when a user tracks down the bugs and calls WP, they say
  >       they are aware of it and a working version should be out soon.
  >       Soon in my case has meant 3 months now, and I still don't have
  >       a working version.

..etc.

  >I think the larger issue here is the ethics with which high tech companies
  >operate.  Personally, I don't feel that WP has thus far exhibited anything
  >that
  >qualifies it for the praise that Neil Harris had to offer.  My experience
  >has been in dealing with WP both in Canada and the US for the past three
  >months now.

On the other hand, Rich Dankert replied with glowing praise to a request for
information on WordPerfect:

  >In article <2143@cup.portal.com> RJknees@cup.portal.com writes:
  >>Hey everyone!  I'm looking for someone who has (or has used) WordPefect on
  >>the Atari-ST.  I'm thinking of buying this software!
  >

..answers to questions 1-4

  >>
  >>5.  Any other opinions or comments RE: Wordproccesing on the ATARI-ST
  >>
  >    Contrary to all the comments from user's of Word Perfect in the
  >    negative aspect, I can say that the version I got didn't have all the
  >    bugs that I had seen mentioned. In fact Word Perfect Corp. is
  >    one of the best software makers that I know of. If you OWN the
  >    program, and have a problem with it, and they have a newer version
  >    of it, they will send it to you, second day air sometimes.
  >
  >    This is one software maker that really backs their product!

What's the deal here?   Are we talking about two different versions of
WordPerfect for the ST here, is there a different version in Canada, or
does Pavneet Arora use features that Rich Dankert doesn't?  ?  Can someone
clarify?  Also, some discussion of other peoples experiences would be great.

And, yes, Virginia, there is such a thing as multi-tasking ;-).

Cheers--

Al

--
Al Gaspar    <gaspar@almsa-1.arpa>
USAMC ALMSA, ATTN:  AMXAL-OW, Box 1578, St. Louis, MO  63188-1578
COMMERCIAL:  (314) 263-5118    AUTOVON:  693-5118
uunet.uu.net!gaspar@almsa-1.arpa

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Date:     Fri, 8 Jan 88 9:05:36 CST
From:     Al Gaspar <gaspar@ALMSA-1.ARPA>
To:       portal!atari!neil@UUNET.UU.NET
Subject:  Re:  Microsoft Write ...

Has anyone (Neil?) seen both WordPerfect and Microsoft Write?  If so, it
would be nice to hear how they compare.  I saw WordPerfect ST advertised for
around $250.  Is it a whole lot better than Microsoft Write (will be :-)) at
$129?

Cheers--

Al

--
Al Gaspar    <gaspar@almsa-1.arpa>
USAMC ALMSA, ATTN:  AMXAL-OW, Box 1578, St. Louis, MO  63188-1578
COMMERCIAL:  (314) 263-5118    AUTOVON:  693-5118
uunet.uu.net!gaspar@almsa-1.arpa

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Date: 6 Jan 88 09:18:32 GMT
From: sdcrdcf!otto!jimi!unsvax!kemp@burdvax.prc.unisys.com  (John G. Kemp)
Subject: Re: BMS controller package
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu



Hello Tom,

    Very nice of you to offer to send copies of your BMS article
over the net.  I would love to have a copy as I am considering going
this route to a hard drive for my 1040 ST.

        ADDRESS: kemp@unsvax

        Thanks in advance,

        John Kemp
        UNLV CSC Dept.
        Las Vegas, Nevada

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Date: 7 Jan 88 14:46:35 GMT
From: mcvax!diku!iesd!lbn@uunet.uu.net  (Lars Bo Nielsen)
Subject: Format of Relocatable Object files???
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Does anybody out there in netland, know about the relocatable format
of object files (programs) on los ST ????

I am thinking of making my own linker, so I need to know this format
(I will of course send the source to the net, if I succeed in making a
new linker)
--

     ================================================================
    == Lars Bo Nielsen                 :  lbn@iesd.uucp             ==
   === Department of Computer Science  :  {...}!mcvax!diku!iesd!lbn ===
   === Aalborg University, St. 19      :----------------------------===
   === DK 9000 Aalborg                 :  Disclaimer:               ===
    == D E N M A R K                   :    I speak for me .....    ==

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Date: 8 Jan 88 14:36:14 GMT
From: nwd@j.cc.purdue.edu  (Daniel Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Multi-tasking? An Oppertunity
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <3797@hoptoad.uucp> db@hoptoad.UUCP (David Beckemeyer) writes:
>If I get enough replies, I might consider making the run-time RTX
>program FREE.
>
>    David Beckemeyer
>    President - Beckemeyer Development Tools


    Well count one here. I would like to take the opportunity to
combine your multi-tasking package with MicroEMACS and make a background
editor.

            Daniel Lawrence        (317) 742-5153
            UUCP:    {ihnp4!pur-ee!}j.cc.purdue.edu!nwd
            ARPA:    nwd@j.cc.purdue.edu
            FIDO:    201/2 The Programmer's Room (317) 742-5533

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Posted-From: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, MA
To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu, info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Subject: Atari ham radio net info
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 88 14:34:21 EST
From: jhs@mitre-bedford.ARPA

This may be old news to many readers, but I just learned about the Atari
Microcomputer Users' Net, a ham radio discussion group focused on using Atari
computers, especially in ham radio applications (but not exclusively).
The net meets Sundays at 1600 Zulu (GMT) on 14.325 MHz.  (1600 Zulu is
currently 11 AM Eastern time, noon during the summer.)  David Byrd, KD7VA, is
the Net Control Station.  Dave is the creator of a well-known 256K plus
upgrade for the 800.  Gil, VE4AG, publisher of Ad Astra, is usually also on
frequency.  The group maintains an extensive disk library, emphasizing but not
limited to, ham radio applications.  Both ST and 8-bit software and hardware
interests are covered by the group.

Readers who are not hams would need to find a local ham to participate
actively in the net, but they might anyway enjoy listening in on a shortwave
receiver tuned to 14.325 MHz on Sunday mornings.

-John Sangster, W3IKG / jhs@mitre-bedford.arpa

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Date: 8 Jan 88 19:39:43 GMT
From: hoser.berkeley.edu!bryce@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Bryce Nesbitt)
Subject: Re: IFF-format
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> A089FLUM@HTIKUB5.BITNET writes:
>As I understand there is a standard format for musical scores called the
>IFF-format. Could someone send me a description??

IFF stands for "Interchange File Format".  It is a stanard for creating
file standards.  The intent is easy transfer between machines and
programs.  Very nice.

There are IFF definitions for Musical Scores, sampled sound,
digitized pictures, etc.

You can purchase the entire "IFF manual" for $20 from:

    CATS / Lauren Brown
    1200 Wilson Drive
    West Chester, PA  19380

:\ /:  . Ack! (NAK, SOH, EOT)
{o O} . bryce@hoser.berkeley.EDU -or- ucbvax!hoser!bryce (or try "cogsci")
 (")
  U    "Your theory is crazy... but not crazy enought to be true." -Niels Bohr

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Date: 8 Jan 88 19:37:19 GMT
From: wisner@eddie.mit.edu  (Bill Wisner)
Subject: What's DVI?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Yesterday I FTPed and downloaded UniTerm v2.0a (thanks, whats-yer-name at
Oregon State) to find, to my chagrin, that the documentation is in DVI format.
Well.. what's DVI? How do I get this file full of gibberish to make some
sense? Be warned that I have no printer..
--
Bill Wisner / wisner@eddie.MIT.EDU
The number of arguments is unimportant unless some of them are correct.

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Date: 6 Jan 88 17:03:00 GMT
From: cca!mirror!ishmael!inmet!dwyer@husc6.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: Need info on 2400 baud modem and C
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

I recently bought a SUPRA 2400 baud modem. It seems to work just fine.
I cannot comment on reliability, because of my limited experience with
it.  I can say however that 2400 baud makes working remotely possible, where
1200 did not.  It is possible to do full-screen editing and remain sane.

There are a number of possible reasons that the SUPRA modem is inexpensive.
It is not in a fancy box, there aren't lots of pretty lights and nobs.
It does not, at least the package I bought, come with communication
software.

matt

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Date:     08 Jan 88 17:27:00 EDT
From: GEORGE FRAJKOR <F27FRAJP%CARLETON.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
To: <info-atari16@score.stanford.edu>
Subject:  MULTI-TAXING

 THE oddball discussions on multi-tasking have made me wonder why
no one has thought of the obvious use-- figguring out your taxes. I
don't know if the US system is as silly as Canada's, but what has
always bugged me here is that you have to fill out innumerable
different schedules and calculate them depending on where your money
is coming from, because different sources of income are taxed
or treated differentlty. So you run your tax program. All is well
until it asks you to fill out sked 4, capital gains from real estate.
So you stop and start filling in what property you bought, how much
of it you sold, what proportion of the gain is taxable, etc. And you
go back and fill in one figure. Then it asks you about dividend
income from domestic corporations (taxed at one rate) and from
foreign corporations (taxed at another) and you stop to figure that
one out.   Then it asks you to fill in your income from the oustide
consultancy work you've done that year, (minus expenses allowable)
and so on and so on.  Does no one see here what multi-tasking can do?
 In the background you can have a batch of separate schedule programs
doing the dog work all at once and feeding the results into the
main tax program.
  Software writers who haven't yet thought of this -- go ahead and
use my idea.  Just remember to send me a copy of the program. Canadian
form, please.

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Date: 8 Jan 88 18:07:00 GMT
From: silver!stowe@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu
Subject: Re: Multiuser BBS
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu


[Good morning, Mr. Line Eater...]

Neil,

  With STadel, you may not be able to leave a public message directed
to a person, but if it's public, why not simply put the recipient's
name on the first line, and if need be, send them Email saying that
there is a public message in such-and-such a room.  Also, those people
most likely to get public messages (such as yourself) could have a
room (message base) for that sole purpose.  With STadel, you can have
64 "rooms" on a system.  You could have 5 different boards with a number
of netted rooms as well as having a purpose to each separate board;
say, one for graphics, one for MIDI, etc.  If you wanted to net with
Atari Canada, you could even net some rooms with them.  Messages in
the rooms can be netted automatically or you can give the general public
netting privs.

  I, personally, don't think STadel lacks in the up/download department
either, but it is "different".  Rooms can be made directory rooms.  You
can download a file right after you read comments about it if you want
without having to leave the message base or going into a "file" section.
You can send files from system to system through netting.  You can make
directory rooms that are either upload or download only.  The only thing
I find at all lacking is the description area.  People tend not to describe
their files well.

  As for new users on STadel, there are some tricks, but once people are
used to it, it is fast and easy, and best of all, NOT redundant!  There
are help files and tutorials available.  Most of the STadel users I know
(including myself) caught on very quickly.  BBSers who are serious tend
to be fairly clever about such things.  A simple explanation that the BBS
is like a large building where you wander from room to room reading new
messages and leaving messages usually helps, as does explaining that
everything you receive from the BBS is done with some kind of a Read,
and everything you give to the BBS is done with some kind of an Enter.

  In case some of you hadn't figured out, yes, I run one of these beasties.
If you want some more information or would like a little tutorial about
using STadel (which also comes in Amiga and MS-DOS flavored Citadels, btw),
drop me a message.  It may take a day or two to get back to you, but I will
indeed get back to you.  There are a bunch of addresses where I can be
reached down below...

  Neil, I have had trouble finding a path to you from Bitnet, I'm afraid,
but I haven't given up hope yet!  *grin*

Holly...

Bitnet:   IHLS400@INDYCMS
Arpanet:  ihls400%indycms.bitnet@{your favorite gateway here}
UUCP:     ...!rutgers!indycms.bitnet!ihls400
GEnie:    HOLLYSTOWE
BBS:      (317) 842-7564 (300/1200/2400/9600USR)
Internet: stowe@silver.bacs.indiana.edu
USnail:   799 W. Michigan St. ET1023, Indianapolis, IN  46202
ICBM:     Just aim at the Army Finance Center at Fort Benjamin Harrison

 "Lake Wobegon - Gateway to Central Minnesota"

[................. (energy bits for the line eater).................]

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Date:     Sat, 9 Jan 88 03:17 N
From: <RCST14%HEITUE5.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject:  Hard disk speed
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
X-Original-To:  info-atari16@score.stanford.edu, RCST14

Could someone please tell me whether or not there are PD utilities out there
that can shuffle my harddisk in order to put all files in one contiguous piece?
An other point I'd like to mention is the speed of the SH204 harddisk: of
course it is slowing down because of the file fragmentation, but I can hardly
only blame tiver
code? I'm wondering how well written it is...

Ps: I started thinking about all this when I saw one of those horrible
    *don't-say-the-name* ..DOS machines perform FAST after a cleanup...


                                                          Jan Joris Vereijken

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