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Info-Atari16 Digest   Monday, January 11, 1988   Volume 88 : Issue 14

This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield

Today's Topics:

                     atari --> sun pic translator
                   Re: atari --> sun pic translator
                          ATTN: Jim Holbach
                        Lattice 3.04 forkvp()
                  Summary of disk drive information
                    Other uses for Atari monitor?
                       Menu control for the ST
                             INFORMATION
                  Re: 40-folder bug and FOLDRXXX.PRG
          Need info on 2400 baud modem and C source debugger
                        Re: CP/M Z80 Emulator
                                Thanks

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Date: 5 Jan 88 14:13:02 GMT
From: jjoshua@TOPAZ.RUTGERS.EDU  (Jonathan Joshua)
Subject: atari --> sun pic translator
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

    My original posting did not make it so here it goes again...

    I am looking for a program that will take an atari picture
(.pi1-3, .neo, etc...) and translate it so that I could use it as a
backdrop on a SUN terminal. If the SUN terminal is bitmapped similarly
to the atari st there shouldn't be much of a problem, right?
    If anyone has the program that I just mentioned or any
information about how I would go about writing the program, send me
mail. Thanx in advance.

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Date: 5 Jan 88 14:17:57 GMT
From: jjoshua@topaz.rutgers.edu  (Jonathan Joshua)
Subject: Re: atari --> sun pic translator
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Stupid Pnews!!!! It forgot to add my .signature!
Sorry about that. here it is.
--
:o:   Jonathan Joshua   jjoshua@topaz.rutgers.edu   Rutgers - Since 1766    :o:
:o:                                                                         :o:
:o:                       Which way to A-La-Meda?                           :o:
:o:                  I'm looking for the nuclear Waxes                      :o:

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Date: 4 Jan 88 13:54:20 GMT
From: ulysses!mhuxt!mhuxu!cbz@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Craig B. Ziemer)
Subject: ATTN: Jim Holbach
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Jim Holbach:
     I've been trying to reach you for a couple weeks, but can't
through to cbosgd.  Where are you?

Craig Z. at AT&T
mhuxu!cbz

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From: NETWORK%FRSAC11.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 88 14:54:15 GMT
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Subject: Lattice 3.04 forkvp()

Date: 5 January 1988, 14:45:05 GMT
From: NETWORK  at FRSAC11
To:   INFO-ATARI16 at SCORE

Lately I had to use MCC Lattice C 3.04...

I would use the forkvp() call, but when I try I get 3 lovely bombs on my
screen, and it is ruining my whole evening.

Can some king soul talk to me how to do a successful spawn in Lattice ?
In MWC I do a Pexec and it is running, but I would prefer use a more
straight UNIX formalism, and do a fork() or an exec(). (I know the semantics
are not the same at all, but I am only interested in maintaining a portable
coding, and accept the GEMDOS restrictions...)

More on the subject: what do I have to do to transmit to the Pexeced
process a nice environment ? (The doc I have on GEMDOS does not talk
environment about Pexec.) Is the thing set up for me in the child basepage
by Pexec ? or what ? (I *need* to transmit a nice environment.)

Please help my code.

Have a better year.

Jean-Pierre H. Dumas

network@frsac11 (bitnet)
network%frsac11.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu (arpanet)
dumas@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (arpanet)

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Date: 5 Jan 88 21:07:44 GMT
From: engst@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu  (Adam C. Engst)
Subject: Summary of disk drive information
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Well, the information on various disk drive has subsided, so I'll post the
entire archive in another posting.  To recap: my drive started to give write
errors, often even refusing to boot.  I tried tightening all the connections
and making sure the chips, most notably the DMA chip were seated.
Everything seems to have failed.  I now have to possibilities.  I can (a)
take it to a repair place 2 hours away, which would be rather difficult
since I work full time during break and don't have a car most of the time.
On the other hand, I could (b) just order a new IBM style 3.5" drive and
hope that it works.  I have decided to follow the latter route for several
reasons.  First, I can always use the second drive even if it won't work
internally.  Second, I'm planning on getting a BMS board set and Seagate 238
30 meg hard disk as well, so I'll have a power supply and case handy.  There
also a few possible problems with this route.  The drive might be too big,
or might not attach correctly (I asked about the screw holes and it, a
Fujitsu, does have them.), or it might not have the correct input/output for
the write-protect sensor.  To protect myself from that possibility, I
ordered from a place that offers a 15 day refund policy.  As far as the hard
disk goes, BMS has been highly recommended and I see no reason to go with
ICD instead since it sounds as if they merely copied the BMS board and made
few improvments.  I don't mind minor hardware jobs, and the BMS board set
sounds fairly easy to assemble without soldering and all that hard stuff.
(I don't want to buy the Atari or Supra drives because of minor problems
like size, cable length, potential reliability problems etc.  I also think
it will be fun to put everything together.)  The Seagate drive is cheap and
basic and 30 meg, which is better than the Atari-specific drives for the
same size.  So, my system should end up looking like this.

   DS/DD internal floppy (Fuijitsu - IBM-style)        $115
   DS/DD external floppy (old internal drive           $000
                          used only for reading)
         needs a cable from E. Arthur Brown            $35
   BMS board set                                       $250
   Seagate 238 30 meg hard disk                        $275
   Power supply and case combo                         $80

I'm only actually buying the new internal drive for now - I have to get the
ST working well before I invest any more money into it and I still don't
know for sure that the DMA chip isn't the culprit.

                                      Adam

Thanks to all of you who sent information or offered help in one way or
another.  Luckily I didn't lose anything in the whole mess and I've sort of
enjoyed the research I had to put in to finally decide.  If anyone has any
major problems with what I've decided, please feel free to tell me; I'm
still open to suggestions.
--
Adam C. Engst                                     engst@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu
                                        pv9y@cornella.bitnet
"If it's not interactive fiction, it's not fun."

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Date: 5 Jan 88 21:39:43 GMT
From: ucsdhub!hp-sdd!ncr-sd!ncrlnk!ncrcce!rogers@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu  (Bob Rogers)
Subject: Other uses for Atari monitor?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Has anybody successfully used the Atari color monitor with other computers?
Will it work on a PC with multisync card?

Thanks
--
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Bob Rogers                            rogers@StPaul.NCR.COM
NCR Comten, St. Paul, MN

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Date: 3 Jan 88 22:25:00 GMT
From: franco@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu
Subject: Menu control for the ST
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Here is a program that solves the problem of unwanted menu dropping when the
mouse is accidentally moved to the menu bar.  Put the program in the AUTO
folder.  After booting you should notice that you cannot move the mouse above
the menu bar with any button released or with any button pressed starting from
any point below the menu bar.  However, if you move the mouse to the bottom
of the menu bar with the left button released and then apply upward movement
to the mouse while pressing the left button you will move the mouse into the
menu bar (and drop a menu if one is right under the mouse position).  From
there two modes of operation are possible:  for Atari mode release the left
button - this gives menu control exactly as packaged by Atari.  In Atari mode
you can move the mouse all over the screen dropping menus all over the place
until you click on a menu item (in which case the item is selected) or click
off the menu (in which case the menu pops up with no action taken).  For Mac
mode keep the left button pressed then move the mouse down the menu of your
choice until you find the desired item to selected - then release the button
to select that item.  If you release the button while the mouse is off the
dropped menu then no action will be taken and the dropped menu will pop back
up.

The problems:

  Atari mode:  I do not know of any

  Mac mode:    Can be fooled in the following two ways:

     1.  Bring the mouse right up to the bottom of the menu bar.
         With the slightest upward movement possible, press the
         left button - when you see the menu bar drop, stop all mouse
         movement.  Then, while continuing to hold down the left button,
         move the mouse sharply down.  The result: the menu will pop back up
         and the first item will be selected.

     2.  Move the mouse to the menu bar with upward-movement-while-pressing
         but not over a menu position.  When the mouse is moved over a menu
         the menu will not drop.

To work in Mac mode (as I always do) and not let the problems above affect
you, a) give a little extra upward movement while pressing the left button
(actually it is hard to avoid doing this), and b) if a menu fails to drop,
either use Atari mode or release then press the button for Mac mode.  I will
be grateful to the person that posts a program which solves these problems.

Acknowledgement:  This program is based on previous work by David Small and
                  Brent McKim.

                        John Franco
                        Bloomington, IN
                         franco@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu

The code below was tested only using a monochrome monitor.  However, I see no
reason why it should not work using a color monitor.  The code below was
UUENCODED using the encoder that currently resides on our VAX.

---------------------------cut here------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 88 22:05:04 IST
From: RON LEOR <HEART01%TAUNIVM.BITNET@CNUCE-VM.arpa>
Subject: INFORMATION
To: "MARSHALL D. ABRAMS" <ABRAMS@mitre.ARPA>
Resent-To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Resent-Date: Sun, 03 Jan 88 21:43:08 -0500
Resent-From: (Marshall D. Abrams)
 <abrams%community-chest.mitre.org@gateway.mitre.org>

Dear sir.
    I  own an Atari 1040ST and I would like to try using  it  for
image  processing in cardiology.  I need a video digitizer  which
will  be  able to digitize stop-frame video  tape  pictures  (not
video  camera),  and be compatible with the video standards  PAL,
NTSC,  SECAM, colors and/or black and white. Apart from obtaining
the  pictures on the monitor screen,  I am interested in  getting
numeric  picture  files  of  8  bits  for  each  pixel.  I  would
appreciate if you will be able to find out for me information  on
the above subject, be it available commercial devices, electronic
kits,  tested circuits in data sheet form or BITNET addresses  of
ST users successfully employing such digitizers.
   I am looking forward to your answer.

                     Sincerely yours

                     Dr. Ron Leor,
                     The Heart Institute,
                     Sheba Hospital, Tel Hashomer,
                     Tel Avive, ISRAEL.

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Date: 3 Jan 88 23:24:27 GMT
From: decvax!virgin!zinn!mem@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Mark E. Mallett)
Subject: Re: 40-folder bug and FOLDRXXX.PRG
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <920@atari.UUCP>, neil@atari.UUCP (Neil Harris) writes:
> What good does it do to start rumors like this?
>
> Do us all a favor, if you need something to talk about, discuss the weather.
>
> Most ridiculous rumors of 1987 awards:
>
> 1. The blitters didn't work, so we're using kludged-up Amiga blitters.
>
> 2. The blitters partially work, so we removed 4 of 8 functions from them.


Here are some more:

1. Atari makes a laser printer.
2. .. an IBM PC clone
3. .. something called a MEGA 2 and a MEGA 4.
4. .. a blitter chip.
5. .. a set of new ROMS called "blitter ROMS" for the ST.

Will the wise guy that started those rumors please cut it out!?

Oh, OK, we're trading those rumors in for rumours about the Abaq.  Does
Abaq mean "wolf"?


> Please, folks, give us a break.  We're easy enough to talk to if you want to
> ASK a question.

Oh no, there they go again.  More rumors.

--
Mark E. Mallett        Home phone: 603-424-8129
uucp: mem@zinn.UUCP  (...decvax!elrond!zinn!mem   or   ...sii!zinn!mem)
BIX: mmallett

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Date: 4 Jan 88 10:15:18 GMT
From: pasteur!cory.Berkeley.EDU!dle@cad.Berkeley.EDU  (Duy Le)
Subject: Need info on 2400 baud modem and C source debugger
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

I am looking for a 2400 baud modem.  In the winter 1987 issue of START,
there was an ad which said that I could get an Avatex 2400 for $219 or
a Supra 2400 ST (ST) for just $159.  Now here are my questions:
    1.  which one is more reliable?  Are there any other 2400 baud modems?
        If so, please give me the name(s), where I can find them and
        their features (if possible).
    2.  how come the Supra 2400 ST is so cheap compared to Avatex 2400?
    3.  One of the people that I know told me that a 2400 baud modem
        is just like a 1200 baud modem.  He said "you can't see
        the difference in terms of speed."  Is this true?

Also, is there a C source debugger available for either the Alcyon C
compiler or the Lattice C compiler?  If so, how much does it cost?
how does it work compared to dbx (UNIX)?  and where can I find it?


Please mail to me at dle@cory.Berkeley.EDU.  Thank you for your
information.



Duy

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Date: 1 Jan 88 21:25:56 GMT
From: mcvax!unido!rmi!dg2kk!root@uunet.uu.net  (The Superuser)
Subject: Re: CP/M Z80 Emulator
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <104@mccc.UUCP> pjh@mccc.UUCP (Peter J. Holsberg) writes:
| I'm looking for a CP/M - Z80 emulator that will run on a 680x0-based
| computer.  Please email if you know of such a beast.  Thx.
|

| Trenton, NJ 08690                       Voice: 1-609-586-4800
There is a PD CP/M Emulator (in software) available for the Atari-ST.
It seems that the Atari Version was originally written for a CPM68k system.

-Walter

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From: AB084%DK0RRZK0.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1988   16:39:51   CET
To: INFO-ATARI16@score.stanford.edu
Subject: Thanks

I should have thanked everybody who wrote to me in response to my letter
about operating systems. I did so in some cases. But there are people
I am seemingly unable to write to. And I noticed that I have accidentally
deleted some letters, so I cannot answer them any more.
Therefore I have to choose this way to say
       THANK YOU|
  Michael Eibl
BTW: I found most of the letters worth being sent to the net.
Especially as compared to some af the somewhat childish arguments that
I read there...

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