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Info-Atari16 Digest   Tuesday, January 12, 1988   Volume 88 : Issue 16

This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield

Today's Topics:

                               Programs
                           Michtron bbs 2.1
                        Re: Sonic Holography.
                          Re: Multiuser BBS
                 Re: graphic file interchange format
                    Tom Oren's Professional Series
                        Re: SH204 disk errors
                    Re: VCR -> Atari color monitor
                          Re: UUPC: Backlog
                  Re: VCR -> Atari ST color monitor
                         Re: Michtron bbs 2.1
                    Re: Question about ARC format
                  Re: 40-folder bug and FOLDRXXX.PRG

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Date: 4 Jan 88 23:31:35 GMT
From: dalcs!aucs!870646c@uunet.uu.net  (barry comer)
Subject: Programs
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Hi all,  I was just digging through all those files on the back of
the hard disk and came accross these programs that I wrote a while
ago. I hope that there can be of some use to you. As stated before
I  would rather post these little files to this newsgroup  instead
of the binaries because it takes sooooo loooog for them to get  to
the  people that could be using them instead of sitting on a  hard
disk somewhere for months on end.  I still haven't seen the Line-A
demos that I posted over 2 months ago on the binaries(sooo loong).

Well for those that need to know the little things, here they are:
1. These programs were written with Assempro by me.
2. There is no little tricks built in that will format your drives
   or blow up your ST.

I hope that they can be of some help to someone, after all that is
what it is all about, isn't it?

later
Barry

If anyone has downloaded some of the CAD 3D demos from  CompuServe
could you please get ahold of me.


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Date: 4 Jan 88 18:56:51 GMT
From: dalcs!aucs!870646c@uunet.uu.net  (barry comer)
Subject: Michtron bbs 2.1
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

I am thinking of upgrading my Michtron BBS to version 2.1, I am now using
version 2.0. Is there anyone out there that can fill me in on the differences
between the two, and have they gotten rid of the fixed names on the up\download
sections?
later
Barry

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Date: 27 Dec 87 20:39:42 GMT
From: mnetor!utzoo!dciem!mmt@uunet.uu.net  (Martin Taylor)
Subject: Re: Sonic Holography.
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

--I am suprised that no one has cited the "Little Boy Suite" on this topic.
--I cannot remember the composer's name, although I seem to recall that he
--was French.  This was one of the works composed with Max Mathews' Music V
--system;  and, as I recall, it goes down, rather than up.  Nevertheless,
--the principle is applicable in either direction.
--...the effect was one of an
--endlessly descending tone.  (The dramatic effect was intended to be
--that of the dropping of the "Little Boy" atomic bomb.)

Jean-Claude Risset, published on Decca 710810 "Voice of the Computer" 1970.
(The piece is fine as music, too).
--

Martin Taylor
{allegra,linus,ihnp4,floyd,ubc-vision}!utzoo!dciem!mmt
{uw-beaver,qucis,watmath}!utcsri!dciem!mmt
mmt@zorac.arpa
Magic is just advanced technology ... so is intelligence.  Before computers,
the ability to do arithmetic was proof of intelligence.  What proves
intelligence now?

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Date: 5 Jan 88 13:55:40 GMT
From: ems!nis!stag!trb@umn-cs.arpa  ( Todd Burkey )
Subject: Re: Multiuser BBS
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <928@atari.UUCP> neil@atari.UUCP (Neil Harris) writes:
>
>OK, I'll buy that part.  But you can't leave messages "TO" a specific person.
>
Yes, you can...you just go to the mail 'room' (.g mail) and enter a message. The
first thing it asks is who the message is too. STadel has added
'floors' to the general room concept as well...rooms and floors are
just hierarchical ways to break up the structure of the message base.

 -Todd Burkey
  trb@stag.UUCP

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Date: 5 Jan 88 15:05:00 GMT
From: mnetor!utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!mks!wheels@uunet.uu.net  (Gerry Wheeler)
Subject: Re: graphic file interchange format
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <782@daisy.UUCP>, turner@daisy.UUCP (D'arc Angel) writes:
>
> Is there a simgle format or at least a conversion program that will
> let me use a picture file generated on a pc on a mac or atari.st or
> any other permutattion of machines ????

If you mean something to convert Neochrome pictures to an IBM format,
I'm not sure. But, if you mean "is there a common format" then I
suggest you have a look at the GIF standard developed on CompuServe.
They have documents generally available which outline how it works,
and if you need sample code you can become a GIF developer. There are
also GIF encoders and decoders for most machines which can be
downloaded. The GIF standard includes compression, so that most
pictures become smaller. However, the display program I have seen
for the ST is a little slow at putting up the picture.
--
     Gerry Wheeler                           Phone: (519)884-2251
Mortice Kern Systems Inc.               UUCP: uunet!watmath!mks!wheels
   35 King St. North                             BIX: join mks
Waterloo, Ontario  N2J 2W9                  CompuServe: 73260,1043

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Date: 6 Jan 88 04:28:19 GMT
From: mnetor!utgpu!parora@uunet.uu.net  (Pavneet Arora)
Subject: Tom Oren's Professional Series
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Recently there was a mention of Tom Oren's Professional Series.  The
writer, as I recall, thought highly of it.  Perhaps she/he could
explain how to get it (and what it is 8-{) ).

Thanks in advance.

Pavneet Arora
parora@utgpu

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Date: 6 Jan 88 03:21:37 GMT
From: imagen!atari!jwt@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Jim Tittsler)
Subject: Re: SH204 disk errors
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <46@lzaz.ATT.COM>, hcj@lzaz.ATT.COM (HC Johnson) writes:
> [...]
> 3. SH204 CANNOT report ANY ERROR to the computer.
>
> So why doesn't everyone die on a disk error?  The Adaptec interface
> does the retries, and if successful, all is well.  What happens
> if the sector is BAD? You read in junk, fail to get the error message,
> and see strange things.

That is definitely NOT true.  The SH204 and SH205 do indeed return with
an error flagged when one occurs.

Jim Tittsler, Atari Corporation

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Date: 5 Jan 88 18:09:12 GMT
From: imagen!atari!neil@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Neil Harris)
Subject: Re: VCR -> Atari color monitor
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <3278@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu>, engst@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu
(Adam C. Engst) writes:

> Does anyone know of a cable or interface box which allows one to use
> an Atari ST color monitor (SM 1224) to display VCR tapes, movies etc?

Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but here goes:

Supra is working on a frame grabber for the ST.  I saw a working prototype
of this at Antic.  Very impressive.  It works at 25 frames per second
(compared to one for the *m*g* which goes at 15).  In the demo I saw, it
would display an image coming from a video camera, so I assume a VCR would
work as well.

The frame grabber includes software for all kinds of special effects -- you
can superimpose computer images, or even have the computer control specific
colors (like, smear the blues but nothing else).  The frames can go into the
computer's memory, which gives something like 5 seconds of video stored in a
Mega 4.

According to Mark at Supra, it looks like this will be out Real Soon Now.
Hope to get one to play with myself.

--
--->Neil Harris, Director of Marketing Communications, Atari Corporation
UUCP: ...{hoptoad, lll-lcc, pyramid, imagen, sun}!atari!neil
GEnie: NHARRIS/ WELL: neil / BIX: neilharris / Delphi: NEILHARRIS
CIS: 70007,1135 / Atari BBS 408-745-5308 / Usually the OFFICIAL Atari opinion

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Date: 5 Jan 88 10:05:01 GMT
From: van-bc!skl@uunet.uu.net  (Samuel Lam)
Subject: Re: UUPC: Backlog
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <71@sialis.mn.org> rjg@sialis.mn.org (Robert J. Granvin) writes:
>I would like to see UUPC for at least the IBM PC, but also for the
>Amiga.  Now, I've been told how to get via Bitnet, and by annonymous
>ftp, both of which I am unable to do.  I have also been given the
>address to contact for these items.  I have mailed to the address
>three times, with never a response.

There is currently a large (no kidding) backlog of mail waiting at
the UUPC request mailbox here that I can certainly use an extra half-time
staff to help sort out if someone would like to fund that. :-)

Seriously, the backlog we currently have is large, and we don't like it
that way, but we can only do our best with the limited time we have got.
(And the time we spent on mail only takes away from the little time we
have got to try to prepare the next release with.)

I don't like to complain, the response we have been getting for UUPC has
been fantastic, and we love it, but there is only 24 hours to a day
and there are a lot of things that we have to squeeze in there.  UUPC
had been a spare time project for all of us, and will likely continue to
remain so... (unless, again, someone want to fund this "research")

>Now, how can I get my hands on this without pulling my own teeth?

If you can't do BITNET nor ARPAnet FTP, then the options I can currently
think of are:

  1) directly UUCP it from van-bc
  2) find a nearby comp.sources.misc archive
  3) find someone else that has it

Having us mail out the UUPC distribution by e-mail is definitely NOT
an option, as we could not abuse our UUCP neighbours nor could we
afford the real $ cost of sending such large files out via UUNET a few
times a week.  So, please save us all some trouble by not asking for
the impossible.  Thanks.

...Sam
--
Samuel Lam     <Samuel.Lam@van-bc.UUCP> or
{ihnp4!alberta,watmath,uw-beaver}!ubc-vision!van-bc!skl

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Date: 6 Jan 88 00:35:09 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!ANKH@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: VCR -> Atari ST color monitor
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Time to rib Adam, guys?     har har

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Date: 6 Jan 88 04:37:28 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!Jinfu_Jinfu_Chen@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: Michtron bbs 2.1
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

RE: MichTron BBS 2.0 vs 2.1

The differences between these two are too mcuh to say here. Call up
MichTron own BBS ( 313-332-5452 ) to find out yourself.

Jinfu Chen(one of the beta-testers)

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Date: 6 Jan 88 04:10:02 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!Jinfu_Jinfu_Chen@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: Question about ARC format
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

RE: ARC format

If you are just looking for a ready program to unARC file at VAX, you
can get a copy at CompuServe's VAX SIG which was written in FORTRAN.
I used to have a copy but didn't take it with me when changing job as the
new company doesn't have a VAX.

The source code of ARC can be found at IBM land. Some BBS (perhaps CompuServe
) have it posted. Also DEC user group may have an authentic version of ARC
in C (I crossed over some old messages at CIS a few months ago).

IEEE Computer's June 1984 issue has an article about the major compression
scheme ARC used, check page 8-19.

Jinfu Chen

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Date: 6 Jan 88 00:31:58 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!ANKH@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: 40-folder bug and FOLDRXXX.PRG
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Well, I, for one, waited for the Atari PC to show up in a store. I wanted to
buy my daughter one hoping it would be useful in school work. Since they use
either IBM's or Apples there. I ended up buying a 520 for her. That was back
in July, and I still don't see the PC. I think the Grinch steals more than
Christmas...ho ho  Actually, I get depressed hearing that they are producing
this or that and then never see it. I wish *all* computer mfgr's would cut
the crap and make it...then advertise it. This goes for software companies too.
This whole affair seems to be the old 'bait and switch' trick that retail
stores love to try on unsuspecting customers. It's illegal and I'm beginning
to think it should apply to the computer industry too. Please Atari folks, and
other comp type mfgrs too, don't TELL us about these things...put them on the
table so we can TOUCH them, USE them. Thanks for listening. Ankh

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