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Date: 22 Sep 88 17:27:52 GMT
From: aplcen!jhunix!ins_bjjb@mimsy.umd.edu (Jared J Brennan)
Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Computing Ctr.
Subject: Re: spectra 128
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In article <1417@nunki.usc.edu> rjung@sal5.usc.edu (Robert Allen Jung) writes:
>In article <8809191251.AA15678@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> nfrech@ALMSA-1.ARPA ("Norman R. Frech") writes:
>>... is it absolutely necessary to have a monochrome monitor?
>
>If you're using a color monitor, then grey shades are used for the screen, and
>the locations of the pixels are mapped to different shades (since the Mac
>monitor has more pixels vertically than the ST's medium resolution has). You
>can also hit a key and get a fully-mapped view of the top/bottom half of the
>screen.
>(rjung@sa132.usc.edu?)
Yes, you can use a color monitor with the Magic Sac or Spectre 128.
If a color monitor is all you have, however, you will not be doing yourself
a favor by purchasing one of these emulators. I know this too well from my
own experience.
The half-screen mode is too awkward to use. Manipulation of screen
objects becomes much too difficult. It is particularly disconcerting
to "lose" the mouse pointer on the other half of the screen.
The full-screen mode is also very difficult to deal with. In this mode,
half the resolution is lost, which hinders reading text. "Hinders?" Well,
come to think of it, it's painful to try . . . .
Any advantages of having the two screen modes available at the touch of a
key are negated by the loss of speed due to the remapping of the screen.
That 20% speed advantage over a Mac evaporates as soon as you start up with
a color monitor. The effective speed is probably less than a Mac with the
Sac running on a color monitor.
If you really want to see what I'm talking about, send me $150 and I'll
send you my Sac w/ROMS. 8-) (Actually, I do want to sell it, but you don't
want it if you don't have a monochrome monitor.)
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Date: 22 Sep 88 23:35:10 GMT
From: ucsdhub!sdsu!sdsuelx.uucp!coffey@ucsd.edu (pat coffey)
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Subject: Color Monitors (was Re:Wait a Sec...)
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Jos Vermaseren asks:
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> This leaves the question: why is the American preference for color so much
> greater than in Europe? I posed this question a long time ago, but nobody
> could come up with an explanation. Anybody has one?
I bought an Atari 520 ST when they first came out. I wanted a good, clear
monitor, so I got a monochrome monitor, which was much better than what
IBM had to offer at the time. I soon discovered, however, that most of the
software available in the U.S., especially the PD stuff, was not runnable on
my system. After several years, I broke down and bought a color monitor
so that I could run some of these programs. When I do my real computer work,
I always use the monochrome monitor.
When I joined our local Atari user group, I discovered that most of the
early members were former owners of 8-bit atari machines. I think all of
them had color monitors and all of them loved computer games. None of the
games worked on monochrome at that time. I don't know if that's the reason,
but I recently heard that U.S. dealers are having a hard time finding color
monitors, so the picture in the U.S. may soon change.
_ _ Pat Coffey
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Date: 21 Sep 88 22:10:43 GMT
From: imagen!atari!apratt@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Allan Pratt)
Organization: Atari (US) Corporation, Sunnyvale, California
Subject: Re: argc and argv with gem
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In article <806@philmds.UUCP> leo@philmds.UUCP (Leo de Wit) writes:
> In article <3441@boulder.Colorado.EDU> cochrane@spot.Colorado.EDU
> (COCHRANE JIM T) writes:
> >How does one go about writing a GEM program that will accept arguments to
> >main via argc and argv? I'm using Mark Williams C and when I try to use
> >argc and argv with a GEM program the program bombs.
>
> Although I don't use MWC myself, I will make a few remarks:
> 1) There is no means that I know of to supply parameters to a Gem
> program if it is started from the Desktop.
This is what "Install application" does. This is how to use it to
install (for example) GFABASIC.PRG to run *.GFA:
Select (click on) GFABASIC.PRG.
Choose the menu item "Install Application" from the Options menu.
Fill in the three blanks in the "Document Type" field with GFA.
Now, whenever you double-click a file *.GFA, GFABASIC.PRG will be run
and its command-line argument will be the name of the file you clicked.
Of course, it's up to the program (in this case, GFABASIC.PRG) to deal
with a command-line argument. GFABASIC happens to do nicely; other
programs might not. Microsoft Write, for one, does not.
There are other caveats. The "current directory" will be the directory
the file is in, not the directory the program is in, so finding your
resource file might be tricky. Put all your resource files on the root
of the boot device (Drive C: if you have a hard disk) and AES will
always find them.
============================================
Opinions expressed above do not necessarily -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp.
reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else. ...ames!atari!apratt
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Date: 21 Sep 88 03:26:32 GMT
From: lean@sbcs.sunysb.edu (Lean L. Loh)
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Subject: Re: Font editor
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In article <619@accelerator.eng.ohio-state.edu>, rob@kaa.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rob Carriere) writes:
> I got the fonts and editor off binaries, and while the fonts are great
> (thanks!), the editor doesn't work. When it starts up, it asks for a
> filename, and then it leaves you with a mouse pointer (hand) and an
> empty screen. Now what?!
>
> Rob Carriere
I'm the one who sent the files to Steve. I downloaded the ones
that Steve posted to comp.binaries.atari.st, and they seem to work just
fine.
When you invoke the font editor (on a MONCHROME), it prompts you
for a filename ( I've always used *.fed for the font files ). Select one
of the font files (6 were posted by Steve) and then you should be in
business. Yes, you'll see a hand pointer. The top 3 lines of the screen
should show the WHOLE character set. On the left side is a box that shows a
magnified version of the character you're currently editing. Some sort of
on-line help should be in the box roughly around the middle of the screen.
If you don't get this, then you file is probably damaged
..Lean
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Date: 23 Sep 88 02:54:16 GMT
From: gdtltr@vax1.acs.udel.edu (Gary D Duzan)
Organization: University of Delaware
Subject: ST Report
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This is the latest copy of ST Report. If you like it & want me to keep
posting it, send me a note. The file was ARCed and then UUENCODED due to
the excessive size.
Gary Duzan
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Third Regeneration
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Date: 21 Sep 88 19:00:40 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!Dave_Ninjajr_Flory@uunet.uu.net
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>David Beckemeyer claims that ST sales are now only 20% of BDT's business.
>I submit that that's because, powerful as they are, BDT's products are a
>pain in the gluteus maximus to use. I mean, we're talking about a machine
>with a windows-mouse-icons interface here. Most ST buyers are looking for
>programs that DON'T require a command-line interface or a lot of manual-
>reading to use. Yeah, I know that's not the case with a lot of the ST users
>but we AREN'T typical ST users. I sell the things; I see who buys them.
>And I have to teach these people things you'd think your average
>cocker spaniel would intuitively grasp, day in and day out. Atari has
>found their market. The great silent majority.
At last someone who understands. I don't say this because I am a computer
user, but because it should be obvious. The people who used computers
earlier than 5 or 10 years ago are not 'average' people. The average
person is not real bright, that's why they are average. I don't mean
that insultingly, just as a statement of fact. Most of the people on the
net are WELL above average. That has been their major problem in designing
computer products for the masses. No one will ever achieve the
sales/acceptance of computer products that we all wish for unless the
realize, once and forever, that the 'average person' doesn't want
Unix, or even messydos, s/he wants a computer/user interface that doesn't
even require a knowledge of typing. The mouse is as close as we have come
so far. Atari and Mac are the only ones who seem to have really come to
grips with this, tho' 'windows' on the IBM and others are approaching it.
The problem is that Atari is still the cheapest and most affordable for
this 'average' person, who usually isn't in the highest income brackets.
For computers to become truly appliances they must be designed for this
group.
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If you are reading the news with rn (and you probably are), use s
to save the binaries file. Then use the program 'uudecode' on it and it
shoud leave you another file (in caps probably) that you can send to
your ST.
You should have an article in comp.binaries that explains all this. It
is probably the first article in there. To get to it, (from rn, in comp.
binaries.atari.st) type in the numer '0'. rn should take you to the
earliest article (which should have the uuencode/decode info). If this is
not the case, start pressing ctrl-N, which takes you through each article,
step by step.
TTL EXE MUX PRG A3I MTX TTP FOE TUS APP JTK MMU CRT VDI TOS DRI GEM CPM ACC OMV
JOH NKA WAK AMI c91 a-r a@f ran ny. Ber kel ey. Edu kaw aka mi@ zen .Be kel ey.
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From: haven!uvaarpa!hudson!bessel.acc.Virginia.EDU!gl8f@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Greg Lindahl)
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I would like to change the contents of a string in a dialogue. I know
how to find the address of a tree, but not the string. Tree numbers
are unique, but item numbers are not unique between trees. My
documentation for rsrc_gaddr() only lists two inputs: the item number
and the type:
rsrc_gaddr( 0, TREE01, &adrs ); /* works as advertised */
rsrc_gaddr( 7, MYITEM, &adrs ); /* cannot be done?! */
Can some expert explain the proper way to do this?
Greg Lindahl internet: gl8f@virginia.edu
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In article <577@hudson.acc.virginia.edu> gl8f@bessel.acc.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:
>I would like to change the contents of a string in a dialogue. I know
>how to find the address of a tree, but not the string. Tree numbers
>are unique, but item numbers are not unique between trees. My
>documentation for rsrc_gaddr() only lists two inputs: the item number
>and the type:
>
> rsrc_gaddr( 0, TREE01, &adrs ); /* works as advertised */
> rsrc_gaddr( 7, MYITEM, &adrs ); /* cannot be done?! */
>
>Can some expert explain the proper way to do this?
>
>Greg Lindahl internet: gl8f@virginia.edu
>U Va Dept. of Astronomy bitnet: gl8f@virginia.bitnet
To find the address of the string, you have to first find the address of the
dialog (I'll pretend you named it DIALOG in the resource construction set),
by using the call:
rsrc_gaddr(R_TREE,DIALOG,&dialog);
R_TREE is 0 like you have, and dialog is an OBJECT pointer.
If you wanted to assign the address of the string with name MYITEM to the
character pointer named 'string', you could do so with the follwing assignment
string = dialog[MYITEM].ob_spec;
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Info-Atari8 Digest Monday, September 26, 1988 Volume 88 : Issue 90
This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield
Today's Topics:
Re: ZMAG
Homepack & termcaps
more info on my interfacing problem..
Re: ZMAG
Re: ATARI 800 printers
Re: more info on my interfacing problem..
Re: Homepack & termcaps
Re: more info on my interfacing problem..
MIDI INFO
ehs@src.dec.com ??
MIDI INFO
Latest ZMAG (part 2)
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Date: 14 Sep 88 15:57:02 GMT
From: bsu-cs!tiger@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Sean C. Mikeworth)
Subject: Re: ZMAG
To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu
Yes Keep posting Zmag...Also does it cost anything to call Delphi
if the call is local?(besides the 20.00 joining fee )
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Date: 14 Sep 88 20:58:22 GMT
From: agate!pasteur!limbo!hauck@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Scott Hauck)
Subject: Homepack & termcaps
To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu
I'm trying to use HOMETERM, part of HOMEPACK, to communicate with
several Unix-based machines and failing mserably. The problem is that while
HOMETERM emulates vidtex (a program in most termcap files), it displays 38
columns instead of 40 and 20 lines instead of 22+. This makes use of emacs or
vi (or any other text editor for that matter) impossible. I tried editting the
termcap entry and, while I could set it correctly in my environment, emacs
still insists on 40 columns, 22+lines, and vi just fails (it starts printing
in the middle of the screen and really messes up cursor motion). What I need
is one of the following:
1.) A good vidtex termcap that specifies 38 columns, 20 lines and
which emacs will accept (I changed the co & li entries and
it didn't work, so it's not that simple).
2.) A working termcap for 1030Express or the default 1030 modem program
(I have the 1030Express program, and since I own a 1030 I have
the program that's built into it)
3.) A way to tell emacs to shrink itself to 38 columns, 20 lines.
Thanks in advance.
Scott Hauck
Hauck@postgres.berkeley.edu
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 88 15:54 EDT
From: BIW109%URIMVS.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu
Subject: more info on my interfacing problem..
The interface connects to the computer through the cart. port.
it uses the 7 low order address lines, and the CCNTL line for control
(addresses $D500 to $D57F are decoded). I used a design like this
because i want to build an interface into which cards can be plugged
into. The decoding logic works like this: A0-A3 are fed into one
74154 (4 to 16 line decoder), A4-A6 are fed into another one. Both
are enabled by the CCNTL (active low) line. All of the outputs of
the 74154's that are used (all on the first, only the first half on the
2nd - its high order input line is grounded) are inverted to obtain
active high strobes. The sixteen outputs from the first 74154 are
fed to 8 44-pin female plug in slots. The 8 outputs from the second
74154 are fed to one slot each (these are used to activate cards in
individual slots. The read/write line is passed to all slots in both
origional and inverted form. This was done so that when a particular
address on a card needs to be activated, a 3-input and gate can be used
(active high strobe) or a 3-input nand gate can be used (active low
strobe). Using this method, a card can be used in any slot, as long
as the program knows which one it is in (the relative addresses within
each slot are the same).
The data latch in question is a 74374 (i think.. I haven't been
home from school to look at it in the past few weeks), and acts on the
rising edge of the pulse. The timing problem that I was intested in
is how long is data valid for once it is placed onto the bus? Since
the latch acts on the rising edge of the strobe, i assumed that the
interface circuit must be taking too long. Since the 74154 is the most
complicated chip in the interface (if I remember correctly, it has at
least 4 or 5 levels of gates in it) I was thinking of using a high
speed version of the chip, assuming I can find one.
I hope this is enough info.. And thanks to anyone who can help..
Ray C
bitnet: biw109@urimvs
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Date: 15 Sep 88 01:04:53 GMT
From: imagen!atari!portal!cup.portal.com!Ordania-DM@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Re: ZMAG
To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu
Could you please continue uploading the ZMAGS. The only way I can get them
is to call an East coast BBS (I'm on the west coast), and download them. Even
at evening rates and 2400 baud, that starts to get expensive.
Thanks in advance.
------------------------------
Date: 14 Sep 88 21:42:30 GMT
From: hpda!hpcuhb!hpcllla!hpclisp!hpclkms!ken@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Kenneth Sumrall)
Subject: Re: ATARI 800 printers
To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu
/ hpclkms:comp.sys.atari.8bit / rbrown@svax.cs.cornell.edu (Russell Brown) / 5:53 pm Sep 12, 1988 /
In article <5141@fluke.COM> jeepcj2a@tc.fluke.COM (Dale A. Chaudiere) writes:
>>Any comments on the Gorilla RS-232 printer for use with an ATARI 800.
>>It comes with an R-verter RS-232 to Atari serial port converter.
>>The seller had a 400 and claims it only works with an 800 or 800XL.
>
>I would be somewhat wary of this claim about the 400/800/800XL business.
>The serial ports for the 400 and 800 are the same (the old 800; it's possible
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the XL is different -- though there's no reason why it should be).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Actually, they are slightly different, though I never ran into a problem where
the difference mattered. The original 800 SIO port had 12V on one of the pins.
The 800XL puts out 5V on this pin. (This is because the 800 ran off of
an low voltage AC power pack and rectified its DC internally, whereas the
800XL runs off of a 5V DC power pack, and thats all it has to work with)
Ken "Just thought I'd shoot my mouth off again" Sumrall
ken@hpclkms@hplabs.hp.com
...!hplabs!hpclkms!ken
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Date: 17 Sep 88 02:47:09 GMT
From: dalcs!dalcsug!euloth@uunet.uu.net (George Seto)
Subject: Re: more info on my interfacing problem..
To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu
In article <8809152000.AA28912@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, BIW109@URIMVS.BITNET writes:
>The data latch in question is a 74374 (i think.. I haven't been
> home from school to look at it in the past few weeks), and acts on the
> rising edge of the pulse. The timing problem that I was intested in
> is how long is data valid for once it is placed onto the bus? Since
> the latch acts on the rising edge of the strobe, i assumed that the
> interface circuit must be taking too long. Since the 74154 is the most
> complicated chip in the interface (if I remember correctly, it has at
> least 4 or 5 levels of gates in it) I was thinking of using a high
> speed version of the chip, assuming I can find one.
I don't know for sure, but..... You can get "high" speed versions of the
74374 but I am not sure about the '154 in High Speed versions. I would
suggest usage of the HC series of devices, or if you can't find them,
LS series. 74LS and 74HC are both faster than standard TTL. LS stands for
Low-power Schottky and HC stands for High-speed CMOS devices. There is also
a version of the HC called HCT which will work best with TTL devices.
As you can see, the both of them should also be lower power than the
original TTL devices you have mentioned. I will check on the availability
of HC and LS versions of the 74154 and advise tomorrow.
>
--
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* /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ || wise noted. *
****AKA: Atari Nut*************************************************************
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Date: 16 Sep 88 11:35:24 GMT
From: uw-entropy!dataio!pilchuck!ssc!happym!rwing!markt@june.cs.washington.edu (Mark Tapper)
Subject: Re: Homepack & termcaps
To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu
In article <5652@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, hauck@limbo.uucp (Scott Hauck) writes:
>
> I'm trying to use HOMETERM, part of HOMEPACK, to communicate with
> several Unix-based machines and failing mserably. The problem is that while
> HOMETERM emulates vidtex (a program in most termcap files), it displays 38
> columns instead of 40 and 20 lines instead of 22+. This makes use of emacs or
> vi (or any other text editor for that matter) impossible. I tried editting the
> termcap entry and, while I could set it correctly in my environment, emacs
> still insists on 40 columns, 22+lines, and vi just fails (it starts printing
> in the middle of the screen and really messes up cursor motion). What I need
if you have a good monitor i would suggest that you try VT10SQ. alot of people
prefer KERMIT over it, but if you have a good monitor the display on VT10SQ
is the best, it gives you a really good vt100 emulator, it wont show inverse
video but thats all it wont do for you. i've used it to play games on
a handful of different unix machines, it works on everything i've used it
on and works great with my xm-301. if you want a copy i might be able
to mail you a uuencoded copy of it. let me know.
--
Mark Tapper uw-beaver!tikal!toybox!rwing!markt
markt@rwing.uucp
------------------------------
Date: 18 Sep 88 00:36:33 GMT
From: rbrown@cu-arpa.cs.cornell.edu (Russell Brown)
Subject: Re: more info on my interfacing problem..
To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu
The old Ataris run on the 1.79 MHz 6502B. The 6502 clock setup
provides for a two part instruction cycle. Information placed on the bus is
supposed to be valid for the duration of the appropriate part of the cycle
(address during phi-1, data during phi-2). Phi-1 and phi-2 are approximately
equal, each accounting for about 40% of an instruction cycle (with the other
20% taken up by transitions -- phi-1 and phi-2 are nonoverlapping, so there's
some space between them). My documentation isn't where I can get at it, so
I can't look up whether an instruction cycle takes 1/(1.79MHz) or
2/(1.79Mhz), but if we assume, for the moment, the former, then each phase
of the cycle lasts about 223 nanoseconds (if the assumption is incorrect,
then the cycle lasts some small integer (perhaps 2) times that long). As I
said, this is not the final word, but I have confidence that it is no
shorter than this.
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Date: Sat, 17 Sep 88 20:12 CDT
To: info-ATARI8@score.stanford.edu
To: JHS@mitre-bedford.arpa
TO: CURZON@DECWRL.DEC.COM
From: HABKE%ccm.UManitoba.CA@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
SUBJECT: MIDI INFO
HAS ANYONE EVER BUILT THERE OWN MIDI INTERFACE FOR THE 800XL
ANY INFO WOULD BE APRECIATED.
THANKS
BILL
.
QUIT
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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 88 16:44 EDT
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From: BIW109%URIMVS.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: ehs@src.dec.com ??
Sorry I had to reply to the net, but the mailer could not find
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From: BIW109%URIMVS.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
To: ehs@src.dec.com
Subject: re: interfacing problem help
I think the CS2 line you describe is the same as the CCNTL line.
I got most of my information from Mapping the Atari (revised edition).
I am using an xl (the dreaded 1200xl, to be exact). All of the storbes
are ANDed or NANDed with the proper r/w signal, I didn't want strobes
being generated by accident.. Where is the phi2 (is this the second
phase of a 2 phase clock?) line that you mentioned? All Mapping the
Atari gives is a pin-out of the cart. port, giving names only for most
pins. If the phi2 is active low, it should be a simple matter to
invert it and and it with the write line, and make this result the
new write line (all strobes that the interface card generates are
active high). If I understand what you said correctly, the purpose
of phi2 is to indicate that the data bus is valid during write to
memory operations. Is this correct?
Thanks for your help!!
Ray Courtois
biw109@urivms
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 88 11:34 CDT
To: info-ATARI8@score.stanford.edu
From: HABKE%ccm.UManitoba.CA@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
SUBJECT: MIDI INFO
HAS ANYONE EVER BUILT THERE OWN MIDI INTERFACE FOR THE 800XL
ANY INFO WOULD BE APRECIATED.
THANKS
BILL
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Date: 24 Sep 88 17:06:30 GMT
From: gdtltr@vax1.acs.udel.edu (Gary D Duzan)
Subject: Latest ZMAG (part 2)
To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu
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<[Holly] HS> Okay... welcome to our formal conference with some of our
favorite Atari folks. You all pretty much know how this runs, but for those
who don't.... if you have a question you'd like to ask, use the /RAI
command to raise your hand and get into line. I will ack your raise with
a private message and tell you who you'll follow so you know. I'll also
try to give you some kind of warning when you're time is about to come up.
When you're through with your question, please let me know via some kind
of ack like GA (Go Ahead) or something... it makes things a little easier.
Also, please remember that Neil and John are my guests tonight. Please
treat them accordingly. *smile* In two weeks, we have Charles Johnson
of G+Plus fame scheduled for a formal. I hope you'll make it...
<[Holly] HS> Let's start by having each of our guests introduce themselves
and let us know just what they do at our favorite computer company... *grin*
<[Neil] NHARRIS> Sure. I've been with Atari Corp. for 4 years now, in a
variety of roles, including publishing Atari Explorer, heading up PR, user
group support, online support, advertising, product marketing, and sales for
the east coast. My current assignment is with the Federated stores,
specifically to bring them into the computer business. ga
<[John @ Atari] TOWNS> I have been with Atari Corp for almost a year
now. I work in the Technical Support Dept and handle a wide variety of
tasks. Everything from Online support to Shows to Technical Support on
the phones during the day. It makes it quite an interesting job and I get
the opportunity to meet alot of interesting people. ga
<[Mark @ Atari] MJANSEN> I've been with Atari for almost three years. I was
the first technical support guy at New Atari, and then I moved into other
things, like shows, West Coast Editing of Atari Explorer, Internal and
Developer documentation, and various product development stuff, making sure
New Things are Good Things. ga
<[David F.] D.FAIRWEATH1> Neil, does Atari have a definite strategy for
increasing the ST's market share in the U.S. and will we see that strategy
implemented before the ST becomes obsolete? Ga
<[Neil] NHARRIS> Before implementing any strategy, the issue we're facing is
product availability. We have been living from hand to mouth for some time
now. The DRAM chip shortage hurts, because we prefer to hold the line on
pricing and that limits how many chips we can buy and how many machines to
make. Right now, the lion lion's share of the computers are going to Europe,
to keep the hottest ST market in the world supplied. Once we can get more
machines built, the US will get our fair share. At that point a strategy
can be implemented. ga
<[David F.] D.FAIRWEATH1> O.K. but is there a defined strategy already in
waiting for that eventuality? gaga
<[Neil] NHARRIS> Any strategy is time and market dependent. If we had
machines to sell last year, we had a strategy ready. If we have machines
this year, we have a strategy, but not the same one as last year, because
the product is more mature now, with more and better applications, and
because the market changes. Next year's strategy is likely to be different
again. ga
<[David F.] D.FAIRWEATH1> O.K. one last point... I think that when the time
comes you should push the fact that with hardware and software emulation the
ST is 3-way compatible with Mac and IBM. GA that's all.
<[Neil] NHARRIS> I agree... as a selling point it is important. But when
people buy the hardware, I know they'll find enough fine ST-native software
so the compatibility issues are not a factor. ga
<[Rick] R.GRIDLEY> Mark, do you have any comments on the 3rd party
development of the 16mhz board?
<[Mark @ Atari] MJANSEN> Not really...I'll have more to say when I see one.
<[Mark @ Atari] MJANSEN> Last I heard, it was still being worked on... ga
<[Rick] R.GRIDLEY> Neil, do you think that Atari owners are more concerned
with the status of the parent company than other computer owners? ga
<[Neil] NHARRIS> I think it is reasonable to be concerned with the company
which makes your computer, particularly in the case of a custom operating
system. Apple users are concerned with Apple. I doubt that most clone
owners care much about their company, they watch IBM. Overall, it is
healthy, because the company steers the future development of the product to
a large extent. Atari welcomes user inquiries and constructive criticisms,
and we act upon them more frequently than is widely known. We love ya,
honest we do. ga
<[Rick] R.GRIDLEY> Ok, (Grin) thanks and thanks to John with helping me with
a problem about a year back. I am done thanks Holly
<D.D.MARTIN> huggs, Neil 1. Any truth to the rumor that the laptop will be
available by the end of the year? 2. IBM or MAC compatability is a _major_
factor NEIL. The portability of office<-->home is a great selling feature.
And _we_ have a choice of the _best_ that is available in software to do the
job at hand. ga
<[Neil] NHARRIS> Any announcement of new hardware will have to wait for
Comdex, sorry. Shipping times, too...
<[Neil] NHARRIS> I agree that it is an important selling factor, but we
won't let that overshadow the need for continuing development of TOS
programs.] ga
<D.D.MARTIN> Atari users are prone to say.. I love _MY_ Atari, but I don't
know if I love Atari.... We all know we have the greatest personal computer
available...you folks at Atari do to.... so who's job is it to tell the
others? ga
<[Neil] NHARRIS> Mainly ours, of course. But, from a BUSINESS perspective,
which is the only perspective that our boss takes, you have to look at the
return on any promoting we do. Right now, we sell every computer we make.
We'd love to have enough computers to sell where we would have to advertise
in order to move them all. So, in the meantime, the grass roots, meaning
the Atari community, has the main role. ga
<[Darek] DAREKM> My question is a rehash of one already asked, but, why
_not_ push the compatibility issue? The Mac, PC, and Atari 800 <grin>
compatibility would interest a lot of people. Afterall, the 130XE looks very
much like a 520, yet Atari rarely mixes ads of 8 bits and STs. However, you
look in most Atari user group newsletters, and they mix the two computers
all the time. Earlier tonight I was demoing my 8 bit drive to ST interface
to a group of about 30 8 bit users (no ST users in the gruop) and about 1/4
of them indicated that they've thinking of getting an ST. When I showed them
8 bit software booting off an Indus GT, they all indicated they are _more_
interested. Wouldn't it be a great way to upload a lot of 520s and single
sided drives, by having some kind of upgrade policy for 8 bit users to
upgrade to the ST. I know you're short of DRAMs, but with the RAM of a Mega
4 you can unload 8 520s. ga oops, I meant to say "unload", not "upload"
<[Neil] NHARRIS> The Mega uses 1 megabit DRAM chips. The ST uses 256K-bit
chips. So, making a Mega does not impact production of ST's at all. There
has definitely been a solid trend toward 8-bit Atari users moving up to the
ST. But to reiterate, it is difficult to justify from a business sense,
promoting a product when we don't have enough to satisfy the current demand.
ga
<[Darek] DAREKM> The 8 bit users indicated that one of the reasons that
they'd like to upgrade is because the 8 bit software market is dead. I just
see it as a great opportunity to get these potential ST owners before they
get tired of waiting and buy a non-Atari 16 bit product. ga
<[Neil] NHARRIS> I don't know how to sell our chairman on giving a special
deal to anyone, even our most favorite customers, at this time. ga
<[Norm] N.RECHTMAN1> Are there any plans to make a laser printer with more
memory for 1040 users? and how about a desk jet copy? ga
<[Neil] NHARRIS> I think a better answer is for 1040 users to get more RAM.
The reason for that is this: if you have RAM in the laser printer, it ONLY
helps you when you are printing. If you put it in the computer, then it is
available for other jobs as well. 4 megabytes comes in mighty handy when you
are spreadsheeting, or doing a Cyber animation. I am not aware of plans for
an ink jet printer from Atari, but again, we are not here to announce
products tonight. ga
<[Norm] N.RECHTMAN1> that was just a suggestion. I would really like to see
PC hardware addons ga
<D.D.MARTIN> Three cheers for Atari taking the bull by the horns and making
plans to move production back to the US of A!!! Neil, can you tell us how
things are progressing with the proposed plant in Houston? ga
<[Neil] NHARRIS> Well, our negotiating team is still terrorizing the folks
in Texas. We expect some news shortly, but at the moment, nothing new to
report at this time. ga
<[Dan] GRIBNIF> I have two questions: First, what is the current status of
the CD ROM? ga
<[Mark @ Atari] MJANSEN> Most recent I heard is that we're trying to get
some good applications together... Makes more sense than saying "Here's a
CD-ROM player. Go to Tower Records and buy some CDs. Have a good time." It
would be nice if there was something to _do_ with it first. ...so we're
working on it. ga
<[Dan] GRIBNIF> Is that the only setback? Does it work with a Laser and HD
yet?
<[Mark @ Atari] MJANSEN> Yes. And headphones. :-)
<[Dan] GRIBNIF> <smile>
<[Neil] NHARRIS> There is a driver for the CD ROM that lets it be read by
TOS applications as if it were a really big drive. You can open it
from the desktop and read files directly. So now it is a fairly simple
matter of getting software which reads the databases on the CD ROM disks
and does something with it. ga
<[Dan] GRIBNIF> (I was reffering to the rumored problems with other DMA
devices)
<[Mark @ Atari] MJANSEN> I know several people with the setup you described.
<[Dan] GRIBNIF> ok, thanks. The other question is one that Neil probably saw
in my letter to Info-Atari16... I was curious as to how normal users (not
developers) will be notified of TOS 1.4...
<[Mark @ Atari] MJANSEN> Skywriting, blimps, dancing girls...(sorry, I
couldn't resist.) and if they will also be provided with an "official"
way of reporting bugs. ga
<[John @ Atari] TOWNS> <grin>
<[Mark @ Atari] MJANSEN> Well, it's like this... People will find out
through magazines, etc. And dealers will know about it. The plan is
to polish up a little program we've got here that is used for developers to
submit bug reports, and release that to the public too.
<[Neil] NHARRIS> Through the dealers, primarily. And through all the
communications at our disposal.
<[Dan] GRIBNIF> "through magazines, etc??" Atari Explorer is still reviewing
things that came out 8 months ago as NEW!
<[John @ Atari] TOWNS> I believe that the information will also be
published in the User's Group newsletter as well (Right, Neil?)
<[Neil] NHARRIS> Like I said, through all the communications vehicles
at our disposal. I tend to think the Atari community is very well wired
together. ga
<[Dan] GRIBNIF> ok, now THAT's more like what I wanted to hear <smile>
<[Dan] GRIBNIF> yes, I tend to agree. Sorry about that comment a second ago
sounding a bit huffy. ga.
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