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Info-Atari16 Digest   Tuesday, October 25, 1988   Volume 88 : Issue 460

This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield

Today's Topics:

                        Resource Construction
                        Re: Distribution list
                  Re: Re: Atari fair at Duesseldorf
                             Disk Drives
                      Re: Atari Diagnostic Query
                 Screen dumps to the Deskjet printer
                   Looking for DX7IIDE!/Atari users
                               ST MINIX
                                 Sell

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Date: 25 Oct 88 07:31:31 GMT
From: silver!sl148033@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu  (Kevin_Clendenien)
Subject: Resource Construction
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

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I recently upgraded my TDI Modula-2 from a regular version to a developers
version.  Included with the developer's version is a resource construction
program.  According to the ABOUT dialog, this resource constructor is
licensed from Megamax.  Unfortunately there was no documentation included
with the program.  After playing around with it for a while, I managed to
make it useful.  I have two questions:

1) When I create a new tree, the program always places it on a background
   box of the same size.  No matter how much I play with it, I haven't been
   able to get that background box to change sizes.  To create a new tree,
   I pull either from a MENU, FREE, DIALOG, or UNKNOWN icon.  No matter
   which of those I choose, the background box is always the same size.

2) When creating a menu I can get a new TITLE on the menu line, but I
   can't seem to add any entries under a title.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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sl148033@silver.UUCP                                 Kevin Clendenien

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Date: 24 Oct 88 02:59:05 GMT
From: killer!usl!usl-pc!jpdres13@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (John Joubert)
Subject: Re: Distribution list
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

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Gary, add me to the ZMAG dist list too!


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Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1988   13:52:55   CET
From: AEE05%DK0RRZK0.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
To: INFO-ATARI16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU
Subject: Re: Re: Atari fair at Duesseldorf

In article <0907881307> mcvax:np1:nikhefh:t19@uunet.uu.net
<Geert J v Oldenborgh> writes:

>> ... Prospero Fortran and Pascal ...
>
>I have heard nothing but horror stories from users of these
>(not the latest version, though). Many bugs and slow. Use
>Absoft for Fortran, don't use Pascal.
>
                ^stuff deleted!

I'm using ProPascal and ProFortran for approx. 2 years now. Due
to my positive impression I feel obliged to contradict Geert in
his opinion concerning these compilers.

   Many bugs ...     Latest versions (i.e. 2.13) are free of
                     fatal bugs, maybe they're still a bit rough
                     around the edges. 2.11 had some bugs, yes.
   ... and slow      Compiler front end is slow, linker is even
                     slower. But the code is quite fast:


   I'm sceptical about compilation time enthusiasts. They all
liked T*rbo Pascal 2.x and 3.x on the small I*Ms. They are
totally happy about new concepts in Rev. 4.0 now, i.e. the
modular compilation feature ("units"), for example. Well,
Prospero compilers did it all the time ...

   Prospero are the only ones who offer not only 68881-libraries
but even 68020/68881-libraries for all their compilers (i.e.
Fortran, Pascal, C). You just have to relink your programs, no
source modification at all.

   They offer a real language family. You may use Assembler
routines in Fortran functions called by Pascal procedures re-
ferred to in a main program written in C and vice versa. Saves
lotta time for a team of programmers, really:

   Their interest in feedback from users is big, their hotline is
as good as the rest of their service, as updates are free of
charge, for example.

   Summarizing, ProFortran and ProPascal are no tools to write
quick'n dirty hacks, ok. But at least for any other, bigger job
they're the best I know - up to now...

Disclaimer: These are the opinions of a satisfied customer
            - nothing more.


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 Udo Keller                                                              
 Dept. of Theoretical Biology                                            
 Inst. of Developmental Physiology    BitNet:  aee05@dk0rrzk0.bitnet     
 University of Cologne                                                   
------------------------------------  SloNet:  Gyrhofstr. 17             
 "While Eeyore frets...                        5000 Cologne 41           
  and Piglet hesitates                         FRG                       
  and Owl pontificates                                                   
  ... Pooh just _is_."                                                   

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Date:     25-OCT-1988 16:36:05
From:     MARCUS%STOAT.PCL.AC.UK@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
To:       INFO-ATARI16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU
Subject:  Disk Drives

Hello, I wonder if anyone could help me with a query from an ST owning son
of one of my work colleagues? He's just picked up a Technomatic double 3.5"
double sided disk drive (that's two double sided drives in one box!) for
a paltry sum and wants to know if he can get it working on his 520ST. It's
rigged up for a BBC Microcomputer (one of those strange things UK educational
establishments favour) so it needs conversion but I imagine it"s probably
pretty standard IBM type. I figure there must have been articles published
on such conversions (I know there has been such an article for the Amiga)
- anyone got any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

                            - m a r c u s -

(ex info-atari8 subscriber, now i-amiga subscriber - no flames pleeeeeease!)

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marcus@uk.ac.pcl.stoat - JANET                   "The streets are crammed with
marcus%stoat.pcl.ac.uk@ukacrl - BITNET/EARN       things, eager to be held..."

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Date: Tue, 25 Oct 88 16:35:18 SET
To: Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.EDU
From: VBRANDT%DBNUAMA1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: Atari Diagnostic Query

In Info-Atari16 Digest #458, portal!cup.portal.com!BobR@uunet.uu.net
(Bob BobR Retelle) says:

>Lee Dickey asks:
>>>    The local Atari Service Depot has not heard or seen this code before nor
>>>has Atari Canada Service Dept. any idea what this means, (their
>>>solution to the first machine was to replace the mother board at a
>>>cost of $400.00 Can. rather then find out what's wrong with the machine).

>>So, I thought that the replacement cost was $95 exchange.
>>Does this price represent a change in policy?

>The "official" exchange program involves sending your entire ST back to
>Atari U.S. in California along with $95.  They will send back a new
>ST...  (the $95 is for the original 520ST, other models are higher, AND
>I have no idea if the program is offered outside the U.S.)

>Of course, sending your machine back to Atari can take three weeks or so...
>BobR

Well, it isn't, at least, not in Germany. And if you get a new motherboard
for the low price of only $400, be happy. I had to pay more than DM 300 to
get a 1040ST fixed (there were broken connections on the motherboard) with
the old board, because Atari Germany   ***REFUSED***   to sell my authorized
certified contract Atari dealer a replacement motherboard AT ANY PRICE. NONE!

And, of course, it took 8 weeks to find these broken connections (they were
beneath a chip) ...

From what I've seen and heard, Atari customer support in the US seems to be OK
if not perfect. But Atari Germany is treating customers like $#!+ !!! They have
an attitude of 'if these things sell like they do they don't need support' !

I just wish we had something like that replacement deal over here.

Bitnet:  VBRANDT@DBNUAMA1                              Volker A. Brandt
UUCP:    ...!unido!DBNUAMA1.bitnet!vbrandt             Angewandte Mathematik
ARPAnet: VBRANDT%DBNUAMA1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU       (Bonn, West Germany)

Dis-Disclaimer:  I said it, I mean it.

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Date: 25 Oct 88 16:55:58 GMT
From: news@blackbird.afit.af.mil  (News System Account)
Subject: Screen dumps to the Deskjet printer
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

I am getting a HP DeskJet printer for my 1040ST and was wondering if there
is any way to use the 'install printer' option from the desktop to do screen
 dumps to the DeskJet.  I am getting the Epson cartridge with it so will this
 help?  I do a lot of plotting of math functions using several different
 plotting
programs that I then use the 'alt-help' screen dump to get a copy of.  Will the
 DJ accept these dumps?  Any suggestions?   Thanks in advance netlanders!

(this is a re-post since I never got any replies to my original and wasn't sure
 if it got out)

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Date: 25 Oct 88 03:10:00 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!Adam_I_Borin@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Looking for DX7IIDE!/Atari users
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

I own a Yamaha DX7IID with grey matter E! upgrade and a FB01.  I use an
Atari 1040ST for sequencing and storage.  I originally started in music as
just a hobby but am getting more serious about my music as time goes
along.

I would like to contact somebody who has similiar equipment via e-mail to
exchange ideas and suggestions.  I am relatively new to synthesizers and
would like to learn more than what the manuals have to say.

adam_i_borin@cup.portal.com (UUCP)
sun!cup.portal.com!adam_i_borin (ARPA)

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Date: 25 Oct 88 14:20:22 GMT
From: polyof!jeff@nyu.edu  (A1 jeff giordano )
Subject: ST MINIX
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

[Mr Line Eater, try to snort this line]

A week or so back I posted a question asking if the BMS hard disk
board would work with ST-MINIX. I got two replies, both have good news,
they are as follows: (edited of course)

>From Vance Chin of Berkley Microsystems:
>        We have not tried Minix ST with the BMS-100.  Our board emulates
>the SH204 hard drive host adapter so it should work.
>        The only thing I'm wondering about is if Minix has it's own formatter
>or if it just uses the format the ST uses.
>
>Vance Chin @ Berkeley Microsystems


>From Gerry Wheeler
>Yes, it works fine.  I'm using a 520 with 1 meg, colour monitor, BMS
>controller with two ST225 drives.  As supplied, MINIX knows about 1 SCSI
>controller with one drive having up to four partitions.  However, by
>altering a couple of constants and recompiling it will handle up to
>eight controllers with two drives each.
>
>At the moment, I have four partitions on my first drive -- 2 meg for
>GEM's C: drive (for accessories, etc.), 1 meg for GEM's D: drive, 1 meg
>for MINIX root file system, and 16 meg for MINIX working.  My other disk
>has two partitions for GEM.  By installing disk icons for only drives C,
>D, G, and H, I can prevent GEM from writing on the MINIX partitions.
>
>MINIX does not have any 16 meg limit on partition sizes, but the BMS
>software won't create a partition larger than that.  However, one of
>MINIX's devices references the entire (unpartitioned) disk, so I think
>I'll make the changes to MINIX, and then dedicate my whole second drive
>to it.
> --
>     Gerry Wheeler                           Phone: (519)884-2251
>Mortice Kern Systems Inc.               UUCP: uunet!watmath!mks!wheels
>   35 King St. North                             BIX: join mks
>Waterloo, Ontario  N2J 2W9                  CompuServe: 73260,1043
>

Vance and Gerry:  Thank you very much for your input.


Geoffrey Giordano
INET: jeff@polyof.poly.edu
UUCP: ...trixie!polyof!jeff

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From: ykim@lynx.northeastern.edu
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 88 17:11:04 EDT
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Subject: Sell

     Sell Atari 520 STF+ (european system with french keyboard).
Coming with blitter (not installed) installation ready for blitter.
Coming with "Aladin new version" (mac emulator without using Apple roms).
Price: $350 (+ $25 for shipping). Call 617-536-7049 (John).

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