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Re: Flaky ST!

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From: Myron Drapal
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1989 17:06
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in article <8901150021.AA01172@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, V067MAJP@UBVMS.BITNET (Arion) says:
> 
> Help!
> I'm not sure watch to do with my ST. Anyone have any suggestions?
> (Before you start, let me list some symptoms.)
> VERY erratic behavior. Sometimes, it works perfectly, others it refuses to
> boot.
> When it does boot, sometimes it will refuse to recognise that my disks are NOT
> blank! Other times, it will just continuously reboot by itself over and over.
> Sometimes, the screen literally goes crazy and the ST crashes (or small blobs
> will appear on the screen and then the works)
> Sometimes a program which works fine (such as Uniterm) will end execution and
> return to the desktop at random (sometimes right after it loads!)
> Just to put things in perspective, this has been happening since I've gotten
> the computer (and I was zealous, from what I can make out on the motherboard is
> dated 1985 rev. A) and has been "repaired" quite a few times.
>                                 Any suggestions?
>                                                 John
> Bitnet: v067majp@ubvmsd
> (the others, who knows? I'm still new at this stuff, I'm still not sure what
> USENET is.)

One easy solution...  Gentle lift the ST up about 4 inches and drop *sharply*
on the tabletop.  This actually works much better than it sounds.  The chip
sockets for most of the ST's, especially the old ones, were
absolutely the *CHEAPEST* ones that Atari could buy.  My ST used to exhibit many
of these symptoms, and I got fed up with it and brought it in to a de-solder
station and removed all of the sockets and replaced them with new, (and more
expensive ;-() sockets, and have had very little problems with it since.  It's
a little radical, but it sure fixed it up proper.

						Myron Drapal
						att!med@druwy.ATT.COM

From vn Mon Jan 16 15:58:47 1989
Subject: Re: Flaky ST!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
References: <8901150021.AA01172@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>

in article <8901150021.AA01172@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, V067MAJP@UBVMS.BITNET (Arion) says:
> 
> Help!
> I'm not sure watch to do with my ST. Anyone have any suggestions?
> (Before you start, let me list some symptoms.)
> VERY erratic behavior. Sometimes, it works perfectly, others it refuses to
> boot.

>                                 Any suggestions?
>                                                 John
> Bitnet: v067majp@ubvmsd
> (the others, who knows? I'm still new at this stuff, I'm still not sure what
> USENET is.)

One easy solution...  Gentle lift the ST up about 4 inches and drop *sharply*
on the tabletop.  This actually works much better than it sounds.  The chip
sockets for most of the ST's, especially the old ones, were
absolutely the *CHEAPEST* ones that Atari could buy.  My ST used to exhibit many
of these symptoms, and I got fed up with it and brought it in to a de-solder
station and removed all of the sockets and replaced them with new, (and more
expensive ;-() sockets, and have had very little problems with it since.  It's
a little radical, but it sure fixed it up proper.

						Myron Drapal
						att!med@druwy.ATT.COM


From vn Mon Mar 13 10:05:33 1989
Subject: Re: Adaptec controller boards
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
References: <2312@van-bc.UUCP>

in article <2312@van-bc.UUCP>, rthurlow@van-bc.UUCP (Rob Thurlow) says:
> 
> NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Please, people, check your facts!  This thread could result in a lot of
> people buying the wrong card.  I quote from the Adaptec "ACB-4000 Series
> User's Manual":
> 
>    "The ACB-4000A Controller ... supports SCSI features and controls two
>    Winchester drives.  The ACB-4000A also supports both hard-sectored and
>    soft-sectored removable drives, as well as all ST506/412 type fixed
>    drives.  The ACB-4000A was previously known as two separate products, the
>    ACB-4000 and the ACB-4010.  It is fully compatible with these products."
> 
> The inescapable conclusion I come to after reading that is that the Adaptec
> 4000 (no 'A') is NOT complete, and that you would need the 4010 as well to
> get a working system.  If this is wrong, someone with a 4000 (no 'A') should
> break their silence and put us straight about the differences.  DO NOT BUY
> AN ADAPTEC 4000 unless you know how it differs from the 4000A, because the
> 4000A is the one people are running.
> 

	Right quote, wrong conclusion...  I have both ACB-4000 and ACB-4000A
and they work *exactly* the same.  In fact, the only difference that I could
find is that the board layout is slightly different, and the mounting holes
in the 4000A match the mounting holes on the bottom of a 5.25 hard disk, where
the older 4000 board does not.  The way I would then read the above quote from
the ACB-4000 manual is that the 4000A is a (newer) replacement for the
4000 *OR* the 4010.  So, buy the 4000 if you "get a deal on it" (Time Line
has the 4000 in their ad for $60, but it's really a 4000A), otherwise buy
an OMTI (its faster ;-)).

					Myron Drapal
					AT&T Bell Labs
					Denver

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Subject: Re: Flaky ST!
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