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Rainbow EchoMail Digest                     Dec 14, 1989

In this issue:
  CHESS
  RE: CHIPS - AGAIN
  FIDO-FAM
  RE: RAINBOW FTP SITES          (2 messages)
  PRIVATE MAIL TO FIDONET        (2 messages)
  JOBSDUMP                       (2 messages)
  RE: JOBSDUMP
  RE: BTW
  RE: DECREPIT FINGERTIPS


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Date:     12-12-89 (13:42)
To:       DAVID STRICKLER
Subject:  CHESS
From:     RICK MELLON

David, one MS-DOS chess game does spring to mind -- Chess Ingenuity.
I see it's being sold through IRUG (618-632-1153) for $27 (members) and
$35 (non-members).  I haven't played it; just thought it might be the game
you were trying to recall.


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Date:     12-09-89 (20:52)
To:       FRANK MALLORY
Subject:  RE: CHIPS - AGAIN
From:     VAN VANHORN

Frank,

Quoting from the invoice itself, being unable to envision a higher authority
than a DEC invoice, here 'tis:

19-15123-03 Receiver, Line  26LS323  Sales code 277SY
Unit price $6.00, total with FEDEX and tax for my location for 6 chips was
$44.81.

Now I just have to get them out to the guy that does my repair work so he
can socket the motherboard for me at that location.

+vanhorn+


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* Origin: Horsefeathers + Burn a flag for freedom! + (Opus 1:343/30)

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Date:     12-12-89
To:       BILL HLIWA
Subject:  FIDO-FAM
From:     FRANK MALLORY

BH> Has anyone here used Fido-Fam successfully on the Rainbow, past version

BH> 3.00?  V3.00 works great (locally/remotely) but version 5.03 just
BH> hangs.

You might want to consider switching to Opus-FAM.  The latest version works
fine on the Rainbow, using the video FOSSIL.


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* Origin: Silver Bullet - Silver Spring, Maryland - 301-622-2247 (1:109/123)

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Date:     12-12-89
To:       GEORGE THEALL
Subject:  RE: RAINBOW FTP SITES
From:     FRANK MALLORY

GT> From: perry@mcl.unisys.com (Dennis Perry)
GT>
GT> There are files available for FTPing from CMU
GT> (info-dec-micro@andrew.cmu.edu).

Hi, Dennis,

Now that we have some useful gateways set up between Usenet and Fidonet,
do you know if anyone has figured out how to use it to transmit files as well
as messages?


frank.mallory@blkcat.fidonet.org


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Date:     12-12-89
To:       GEORGE THEALL
Subject:  PRIVATE MAIL TO FIDONET
From:     FRANK MALLORY

GT>    What you'll need is the address of the person on FidoNet, which
GT> can be found by examining the origin line of one of that person's
GT> messages as it appears in a Rainbow EchoMail Digest. For instance,
GT> David Strickler moderates the Rainbow Echo on FidoNet. His origin
GT> line lists an address of (1:101/45). To send him a private message
GT> from BITNET/Internet/UUCP you would use the address:
GT>
GT>          David.Strickler@f45.n101.z1.fidonet.org

Are you sure that works universally, George?  That implies that there is
a gateway node in Fidonet who has volunteered to forward messages to any BBS,
no matter where it is situated.

GT>   NB: I have learned about this only yesterday. I sent off one
GT> message as a test and have received neither a bounce nor a reply.

We have exchanged several messages during the time it took for your echomail
message to reach this board.

GT> I wonder whether that's a good sign??? Lastly, I have *no* idea
GT> how users on FidoNet can reply privately - that'll be up to
GT> them to figure out. (You could always pass along your phone number
GT> and tell the person on FidoNet to give you a call.)

Fido users have to send their messages to the hub or gateway that is furnishing
the interface to UUCP, using standard netmail procedures.  The addressee is
shown as "uucp", and the first line of the message must have the form:

To: <name>@<uucp address>

The second line of the message must be blank, and the rest of the message
follows.

More details will be given here, as we figure them out.


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Date:     12-12-89
To:       CARL HOUSEMAN
Subject:  JOBSDUMP
From:     FRANK MALLORY


I  tried JOBSDUMP v4.1 but found it leaves horizontal stripes in the image
(Wombat) on my LA50.

Also, I found that JOBSDUMP wouldn't run in graphics mode; there is also
some interference with either or both RB-BUFFR and HISTORY TSRs.  Any ideas?


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Date:     12-12-89 (23:45)
To:       FRANK MALLORY
Subject:  RE: JOBSDUMP
From:     CARL HOUSEMAN

re: "stripes", interference with HISTORY or RB-BUFFR

By "stripes" do you mean small white lines between horizontal dot rows
due to imperfect paper motion, or actually skipped whole-dot-rows?
I don't have an LA50 anymore, but it prints out fine on my LA210-emulating
printer.  If you're missing whole dot rows, does your normal printing look
OK?

As for interference with TSRs, I find it hard to believe that JOBSDUMP
would care about either one of them.  However, I don't run HISTORY and don't
have any problems, either.  Obviously you have to get out of what you're
in to run JOBSDUMP, but it can give you a preview, and you can kill it if
you don't like it.

Actually I thought some of the other suggestions you received for printing
out of Rainbow Regis made more sense for your needs.

Speaking which of, Rainbow REGIS won't run with RB-BUFFR installed, so
how do you think that RB-BUFFR is interfering with JOBSDUMP?


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Date:     12-12-89 (23:58)
To:       FRANK MALLORY
Subject:  RE: BTW
From:     CARL HOUSEMAN

I agree that telling someone to RTFM and nothing else may be rude, but
the reality exists that some post questions to Usenet (I was referring to
comp.os.vms) and Fidonet without attempting any research into their own
(no-cost) sources.  For those who don't have the FMs, it's understandable.

Also, I get a chuckle every time I read something like "I tried .....
and it didn't work, so I RTFM and I still can't figure it out".


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Date:     12-13-89 (00:19)
To:       MARK BORNSTEIN
Subject:  RE: DECREPIT FINGERTIPS
From:     CARL HOUSEMAN

Mark, as a former customer of yours, you know that I have no personal grievance
with you - in fact I was very pleased with the service I got while you were
in charge of the business.  I stayed out of this fray until now, when I
just couldn't stand it any more.

You seem to think that some replies are personal vendettas or merely undeserved.
Even if that's so, the rest of us are just tired of the personal flames,
period.  We don't care who started it, nor who has the last word, we just
want it to STOP!  Please help that process along by letting this and other
rebuttals-to-come go without a response.
Many thanks in advance...


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Date:     12-14-89 (20:59)
To:       FRANK MALLORY
Subject:  JOBSDUMP
From:     GEORGE THEALL

FM>I  tried JOBSDUMP v4.1 but found it leaves horizontal stripes in the image
FM>(Wombat) on my LA50.
FM>
FM>Also, I found that JOBSDUMP wouldn't run in graphics mode; there is also
FM>some interference with either or both RB-BUFFR and HISTORY TSRs.  Any ideas

   The author of JOBSDUMP reads the posts to INFO-DEC-MICRO. I'm sure
we'll hear from him in a couple of days.

George
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Date:     12-14-89 (20:59)
To:       FRANK MALLORY
Subject:  RE: RAINBOW FTP SITES
From:     GEORGE THEALL

FM>GT> From: perry@mcl.unisys.com (Dennis Perry)
FM>GT> There are files available for FTPing from CMU
FM>GT> (info-dec-micro@andrew.cmu.edu).
...
FM>Now that we have some useful gateways set up between Usenet and Fidonet,
FM>do you know if anyone has figured out how to use it to transmit files as we
FM>as messages?

   FTP is the TCP/IP File Transfer Protocol. It's basically self-service
file transfer between computers over high-speed data lines and is closely
associated with a network known as the Internet. If you don't have access
to a machine on the Internet, you can't use FTP.

   However, Rob Locke does provide a similar service for those poor souls
without FTP access. Quoting from the file AAREADME.1ST from the
INFO-DEC-MICRO file archives:

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AAREADME.1ST                                                05/22/89

     Welcome to the Info-DEC-Micro File Archives.  The files contained
here may be retreived through anonymous ftp or through requests to have
them mailed (for those of you without Internet/Arpanet access).  A list
of the available files is in AAAFILES.TXT.

[ section about anonymous FTP deleted, GAT ]

File Request via Mail Messages
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     For those people who do not have Arpanet/Internet access, and,
consequently, cannot use ftp, there is an alternate, albeit slower,
method for obtaining the files.  It is via mail.  To send a request for
a particular file or for a list of the available files, send a message
to the appropriate following address:

 from Arpanet:  Info-DEC-Micro-Files@andrew.cmu.edu
 from Bitnet :  Info-DEC-Micro-Files@ANDREW  or
                Info-DEC-Micro-Files%andrew.cmu.edu@CMCCVB
 from UUCP   :  {favorite gateway}!andrew.cmu.edu!info-dec-micro-files

In the message, if you ask to see a list of the files available, you
receive a mail message with the file AAAFILES.TXT included in the text
of the message.  If you ask for a specific binary file, you will
receive multiple messages which are pieces of the file uuencoded.  To
work with these files that you receive, you will need the following
tools:
     1) An editor to remove the mail's headers and footers.
     2) A file transfer package to get the file(s) to your PC.
     3) UUDECODE to change the files back into an archive.
     4) PKZIP v0.92 to extract the files from the archives.
All of these are available from the Info-DEC-Micro File Archives.
Since some of these are needed from the beginning, please send some
mail requesting some help and telling me which of the above you have
so I can see what I can arrange for you to get you set up using the
archives.

[ stuff about user submissions cut, GAT ]

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   I believe the only change made since this was written is that PKZIP
v1.01 is now the file zipper of choice.

   Soooo, your first step is to request the files AAREADME.1ST and
AAAFILES.TXT. I don't believe Rob has automated this so please realize
there's a human on the other end. Since now's a common time for exams,
I would *not* expect a rapid turn-around.

   Happy hunting,


George
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Date:     12-14-89 (21:07)
To:       FRANK MALLORY
Subject:  PRIVATE MAIL TO FIDONET
From:     GEORGE THEALL

FM>GT>    What you'll need is the address of the person on FidoNet,
...
FM>Are you sure that works universally, George?  That implies that there is
FM>a gateway node in Fidonet who has volunteered to forward messages to any BB
FM>no matter where it is situated.

   My info comes from John Quartermain's _The Matrix_ (an excellent source
of info about networking, IMHO). IFNA apparently has registered the
domain name "fidonet.org" with the folks in charge of Internet; this
probably works off of MX records. It means those of us with smart mailers
don't have to worry about specific gateway machines - the mailer takes
care of finding the appropriate gateway, not the sender! For the
curious, the book lists two principal gateways - fidogate.fidonet.org
(1:125/406) and castle.fidonet.org (1:152/201). The former appears to
handle the UUCP stuff while the latter deals with mail to/from the
Internet.

FM>Fido users have to send their messages to the hub or gateway that is furnis
FM>the interface to UUCP, using standard netmail procedures.  The addressee is
FM>shown as "uucp", and the first line of the message must have the form:
FM>
FM>To: <name>@<uucp address>
FM>
FM>The second line of the message must be blank, and the rest of the message
FM>follows.

   Now that I have the book, this seems to agree with what Quartermain says.
The only difference is that Internet mail should be addressed to user "arpa"
via 1:152/201 and contain as it's first line a valid domain-style address
following the keyword "ARPA:". Frank, would you mind sending me a
message using this method? I'll let people here know whether it was
successful.

   Assuming it is, we'll have things pretty much figured out! Messages from
INFO-DEC-MICRO/comp.sys.dec.micro that are posted here have the email address
of the sender at the top (and some give more complete address formats at the
bottom).

   Isn't networking fun?

George
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