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Rainbow EchoMail Digest                     Dec 18, 1989

In this issue:
  RE: RAINBOW FTP SITES
  RE: AVAILABILITY OF CHESS
  FILES UUENCODED
  RE: MS-DOS FOR DECMATE II
  CHESS                          (2 messages)
  TRANSFER OF FILES BETWEEN
  KILL FILES AND DOGS
  NOT ENOUGH !!
  CONCURRENT DOS AND RB'S
  UUDECODE/UUDECODE


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Date:     12-17-89 (18:22)
To:       FRANK MALLORY
Subject:  RE: RAINBOW FTP SITES
From:     GEORGE THEALL

FM>My uucp gateway sysop answered the question by saying that only
FM>messages can be transmitted, not files.

   Files can be sent as mail. The only caveat is that gateways generally
do not handle well non-displayable characters. If the file can be viewed
by typing at the screen, it will pass thru the gateways ok; otherwise,
you'll need to encode it in some fashion and decode it once it's been
received. uuencode/uudecode, xxencode/xxdecode, abe/dabe, and btoa/atob
are examples of programs for this.

FM>I think I have all the above; I got a uuencode/decode program today that
FM>seems to work fine on the Rainbow.  Do you have uudecode, George? If so,
FM>I'll zip up a couple text files, uuencode the ZIP, import it into a message
FM>and send it off to you.  You can try the same thing from your end.  BTW, my
FM>gateway says the messages should be limited to 10KB; not a real lot, but ev
FM>you can break up the uuencoded files pretty easy and transmit the pieces as
FM>separate files.

   Yes, I have uudecode. You might get a hold of one of Richard Mark's
versions of uuencode/uudecode - when encoding files you can specify the
maximum size (in lines) of any single portion. Quite handy.

George
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Date:     12-17-89 (18:37)
To:       MIKE JANSON
Subject:  RE: AVAILABILITY OF CHESS
From:     GEORGE THEALL

MJ>Could you give me a list of programs available for the Rainbow?

   Are you looking for Chess programs for the Rainbow or anything?

MJ>Down here, we don't have any RBboards or User group.

  From George Dalco's most recent list of DEC-related BBS's I find the
following entries for AZ, where I see you entered your message:

-Board Name-      -Phone number-  -City,State-     -Sysop-
UofA CAG          602-621-2097%   Tucson________AZ Robert MacArthur
Iasd_End BBS      602-863-5088+!  Phoenix_______AZ John Valentyn
Corwin's Keep     602-894-1470+!  Tempe_________AZ Paul Coppinger
PUHSD_OPUS_BBS    602-921-2438%!  Tempe_________AZ Rick Southard
Genoa City        602-945-0869*!  Tempe_________AZ Duke Clarke

Now DEC-related may mean it deals with VAX or PDP-11 rather than Rainbow
topics, but it's worth a shot.

George
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Date:     12-17-89
To:       FRANK MALLORY
Subject:  FILES UUENCODED
From:     DENNIS PERRY

Frank, you are right, I could capture the file and uudecode it on
the rainbow, as could any one else that was interested.  I have not
really gotten into the use of BBS messages to the extend that I
know how to capture a message intact, especially with multiple screens.
I normally read over 50 messages a day from the Internet and do quite
a bit of FTP file transfer, both across the Internet and on our own
internal TCP/IP network.  I tend to use Pot-O-Gold BBS or the Silver
Bullet at night to keep up, although with George now routing messages
onto the Internet, I sometimes read things more than once, what
with the delay in the relay.

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* Origin: The Pot of Gold - (703-359-6549) (1:109/103)

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Date:     12-15-89 (14:59)
To:       TED STEVENS
Subject:  RE: MS-DOS FOR DECMATE II
From:     AMER NELSON

Ted, this may not be helpful, but I THINK that could be an item that
DEC was offering some time back from the OUTLET.
You might call their ELECTRONIC STORE at 1-800-DIGITAL to check
on it.  You'll need the part number to check on the current price.
++ Amer ++


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* Origin: Glacier Peak Rainbow, Bellevue, WA - 206/644-8431 (Opus 1:343/3)

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Date:     12-15-89 (15:02)
To:       DAVID STRICKLER
Subject:  CHESS
From:     AMER NELSON

Our LUG recently received the entire DECUS library on MAG TAPE.
Haven't yet got it transferred onto RX-50 media but I think the
listing showed chess games in both DOS and CP/M.
I'll check further with the folks handling the data transfer.
++ Amer ++


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* Origin: Glacier Peak Rainbow, Bellevue, WA - 206/644-8431 (Opus 1:343/3)

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Date:     12-16-89
To:       DENNIS PERRY
Subject:  TRANSFER OF FILES BETWEEN
From:     FRANK MALLORY

DP> guess that the file would have to be in an encoded form if it
DP> is a binary file.  I would also guess that only people with
DP> private fidonet addresses could receive those files.  For example,
DP> I do not think that I could receive a file on fidonet.  Messages
DP> to people like me are public and I do not know how do anything
DP> with it but read and reply (perhaps I am more ignorant about this
DP> than I should be).

I'm going to try sending a uuencoded file to George Theall.  Messages coming
via uucp are private (meaning only the addressee and sysop can read them).
If somebody send a message addressed to you and it contains an encoded file,
it seems to me that you should be able to capture using your comm program,
just like any other message.  I haven't looked at the uucode, but I assume
it consists of only 7 bits per byte, because that is all most of the primitive
IBM mainframes can handle.


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* Origin: Silver Bullet - Silver Spring, Maryland - 301-622-2247 (1:109/123)

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Date:     12-16-89
To:       RICK MELLON
Subject:  CHESS
From:     DAVID STRICKLER

In a message of <12 Dec 89 13:42:58>, Rick Mellon (1:142/723) writes:

RM>  David, one MS-DOS chess game does spring to mind -- Chess Ingenuity.
RM>I see it's being sold through IRUG (618-632-1153) for $27 (members) and
RM>$35 (non-members).  I haven't played it; just thought it might be the
RM>game you were trying to recall.

That's the one! Its fantastic.... Makes me a very humble player!

David Strickler
Sysop of 101/45
Midnight DEC (Boston)
(617)739-0708 [Voice]

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Date:     12-16-89
To:       GEORGE THEALL
Subject:  KILL FILES AND DOGS
From:     DAVID STRICKLER


I'll just write one. Shouldn't be all that hard. I have most of the modules...

David Strickler
Sysop of 101/45
Midnight DEC (Boston)
(617)739-0708 [Voice]

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Date:     12-16-89
To:       GEOFF REED
Subject:  NOT ENOUGH !!
From:     DAVID STRICKLER

In a message of <12 Dec 89  09:29:20>, Geoff Reed (1:6000/0) writes:

GR>Mark, there Are at least 2 different ones.  I use Pixie on my bbs (send
GR>a note to carl reek @ 343/6 to get a copy)
GR>and then there is killrdog. I no-longer recieve any messages from mark
GR>here in the rainbow echo, they're all sent to the  bit-bucket.
GR>

I'm Dave <grin>, and I will send a msg to 343/6.... I would like info on
KillDog before I write my own. I think I have a copy of Pixie, but I bet is
is VERY old. Thanks for the help.

David Strickler
Sysop of 101/45
Midnight DEC (Boston)
(617)739-0708 [Voice]

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Date:     12-17-89
To:       VERNON BAILEY
Subject:  CONCURRENT DOS AND RB'S
From:     DAVID STRICKLER


As I read you msg, the program must support VT100 codes? Inotherwords, LOTUS
and dBASE are out?


David Strickler
Sysop of 101/45
Midnight DEC (Boston)
(617)739-0708 [Voice]

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Date:     12-18-89 (19:20)
To:       FRANK MALLORY
Subject:  UUDECODE/UUDECODE
From:     GEORGE THEALL

FM>I'm going to try sending a uuencoded file to George Theall.

   I received your file on PENNDRLS ok. Comments will follow by email later.
I'll send a similar file to you tonight. You might also try requesting some
files from the INFO-DEC-MICRO file archives.

FM>I haven't looked at the uucode, but I assume
FM>it consists of only 7 bits per byte, because that is all most of the primit
FM>IBM mainframes can handle.

   The basic encoding algorithm used by uuencode changes three 8-bit bytes
into four 6-bit characters, and then adds a space (32 ASCII) to each to
make them printable. Each line starts with a character count, also encoded.
Only 45 characters are usually encoded per line; thus, most lines begin with
'M' (45 == 'M' - ' ') and are 61 characters in length.

   Several variations on the basic algorithm exist, mainly to avoid problems
introduced by differences in "the" EBCDIC character set and by brain-damaged
mailers which strip off trailing blanks.


George
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