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Article #852Re: DECstation 3100 **really** wants to be a rainbow.
From: David Collier-Brown
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1989 15:29
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1989 15:29
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In article <4903@yunexus.UUCP>, davecb@yunexus.UUCP (David Collier-Brown) writes:
>> Is this a limitation which DEC feels is advisable, to limit sales?
alan@shodha.dec.com ( Alan's Home for Wayward Notes File.) writes:
> Nop, merely holding up our end of a legal contract.
We've got to come up with a (:-))-glyph to indicate irony: Allan took
me a bit too literally...
What I was commenting on was the marketing decision that DEC made to sell
machines with a two-user license, presumably lowering their licensing
costs. Various other vendors have elected to sell machines with a greater
initial-user limit, and in some cases without a compiled-in limit where the
nature of the hardware prevented more than one user from getting usefully
work done, thus enforcing the policy without explicit implementation.
I can get around the limit {\em check} (and breach my agreement with DEC
and AT&T) by using rsh and x-windows, as suggested by various commentators.
But even if I do so, I have little reason to expect that the loophole won't
be closed. And I'm at a University who has a policy of at least {\em trying}
to honor all its contractual commitments.
[and previously]
> For a lot of customers the 2-user limit is sufficient. If
> you need more that option is available.
If the machines are being used as {\em single-user} stations, with the
local user as administrator, user and operator, a one-user limit is
sufficient. The limit can be in hardware, the operating system proper (eg,
it could run MS-DOS) or in operating system support programs (login). The
mechanism doesn't matter.
It is is used in a very "bare" distributed environment, with all
disks and printers located and administered non-locally, the limitation
may not be noticeable.
As soon as it is to be used in cooperative work, is attached to a
centrally administered network (with remote monitoring, advisors, backups,
ad infinitum), or the two-user limit becomes a disqualifying limitation.
That DEC elects to impose a limit is praiseworthy: they're trying to
honor their agreements. That DEC elects to impose a limit that will need
to be raised after installation, at a non-trivial cost, is known in the
trade as "low-balling".
I shan't comment on the ethics of the latter.
--dave c-b
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!yunexus!davecb From: davecb@yunexus.UUCP (David Collier-Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec Subject: Re: DECstation 3100 **really** wants to be a rainbow. Keywords: login Message-ID: <5004@yunexus.UUCP> Date: 10 Nov 89 15:29:28 GMT Article-I.D.: yunexus.5004 References: <4903@yunexus.UUCP> <474@shodha.dec.com> Organization: York U. Computing Services Lines: 51