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material guy wrote:
> 
> I found the below pretty much on the offensive side  from too much
> negativity.  Not grossly blatantly, but enough that I would not
> volunteer to help.
> 
> Sometimes, talking less is a good idea.  Also, throwing out a lot of
> negative comments as you do makes a NEGATIVE impression.
> 
> One rule of sales is "don't run down your competition" as it creates as
> much (or more) of a negative impression of yourself as it may convey any
> degree of truth or have positive effect for comparison.
> 
> That form of negative advertising does work for selected niche markets.
> 
> Jim Buch

Not being in advertising nor sales, I still get your point, if too late
for Michael. Please read on...

> 
> Dennis wrote:
> >
> > Thanks to all who responded to my previous post on the same subject.
> >
> 
> NEGATIVE HERE
> 
> > However, still no IIID "User's Manual" except, possibly, via
> > Printerworks.com where they're asking a ridiculus price of over $50
> > (delivered) for something that shouldn't cost a penny over $20
> > considering that excellent IIID printers can be purchased for no more
> > than $200 to begin with and are as common as house flies. I want the
> > manual, but I'm not going to pull the gold from my teeth to get it as
> > Printerworks.com would have me do. "A fool and his money...".

Yes, I can agree that the above paragraph was perhaps unnecessary except
in the not so suttle warning to others that there ARE companies out
there who would overcharge for a product or service, and maybe one could
do better by looking elsewhere. Why charge over $50 when the same thing
can be had direct from HP for $32? Or on ebay for $15 to perhaps $30 (if
I remember correctly, one went on ebay for $22 two months ago)? Yes, I'm
all for a free market, but $50 is a false market in the same fashion
that one TV repair store will fix your VCR for $60 and another down the
block will charge $130 for the same work. I, personally, want to be told
and forewarned about these companies even as you may not. Price gouging
by its very nature is a negative thing.

> > I suspect the printers are sold/traded etc. while the manuals are
> > forgotton and left on the bookshelf. Who doesn't have orphaned
> > miscellany documentation collecting dust?

> FALSE HONESTY HERE and of course NEGATIVITY follows
> 
> > I've been offered a Xerox[ed] photocopy of the manual, but refused it
> > for ethical reasons. HP has been very good - no, *exceptional* to me
> > over the many years in both products and support, so I figure I owe them
> > not to help somebody trespass their copywrited work, even as much as I
> > desire to have that information.

False honesty? Where do you get off saying that? FACT: I was offered a
Xerox copy of a manual that I'm looking for. FACT: I was tempted, but
refused it. FACT: It is unethical, much less illegal to be a party to
this act. FACT: There's been two companies that I've delt with over the
past twenty years or more that have bent over backwards to help me and
many others I know - one has been HP and the other has been Motorola. I
suppose I could toss-in Texas Instruments for good measure. Your
*statement* of "False Honesty" is an unwarranted observation based upon
what [fact]? I *honestly* feel that I owe these good companies something
in turn, the very least of which is NOT to fraudulently copy their work.
I *honestly* don't know how to say this in any other way...

Perhaps this is an example of why it can be difficult to converse online
as opposed to being in person, as so many things make up that act of
communication, includind eye contact and body language - this online
stuff is not at all easy, and your point "talking less is a good idea"
has a great deal of merit because of this.

> YOU DISPARAGE SOMEONE WHO WANTED TO HELP YOU  !!

I disparaged whom? You're quoting my original beginning post which was
to nobody in particular, and a conversation hadn't even been started by
this time, certainly not with Michael. And he leaned toward the negative
by saying (in so many words) "If you'd just TELL us what the PROBLEM is,
maybe somebody would help you". Do I have to turn blue in the face? Was
it my syntax, were the words in the subject line and body confusing? How
many other ways are there of saying "I want to buy a IIID manual"?

> > At the risk of repeating myself from a previous post, should anyone have
> > one of these spiral-bound manuals lying around the house or office that
> > they'd care to part with, please email me ASAP with your desired (and
> > hopefully reasonable) price.
> 
> BY THIS TIME, YOUR NEGATIVITY HAS TAKEN IT'S TOLL, don't you think?

Yes. I must agree with you that I tend to shoot from the hip, and "Short
and Sweet" should be the mantra of the day.

Although I disagree with some of your points/conclusions, I must admit
that I went too far in my negativity in the same fashion that you took
an unwarranted shot with that unsupported "FALSE HONESTY" remark. I
personally wouldn't know how to go about judging YOUR honesty from a
distance such as this, not having known you for some years, and how you
can perform such magic is beyond my life's experience. But at the very
least it would seem that we're BOTH capable of firing shots from the
hip.

***
My apologies to all, in particular to Michael, whom I slammed harshly
and unnecessarily. Hindsight is not as good as foresight, but it'll have
to do...

(You're not, Jim, going to accuse me of false honesty here too, are
you)?

I'm thru with this thread, and I'll call in my IIID manual order to HP
and have done with it.

Thanks to all who emailed their suggestions, it was (is) appreciated.

Dennis
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