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hehe....Well at least you try and defend your arguments Bernard. Your "friends"
are too busy accussing me of perversions with my children of all things to
defend their ideas. 

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>I never said they couldn't have it, but not too many of them seem to
>think its a great priority.

Sort of like the Japanese? Or the Afghanis? Or just about anyone else you can
name who labor under oppressive regimes. How exactly are they to get the word
out and some support under the sorts of regimes they live? Not sure if you know
but having demonstrations against the governement was frowned on by Saddam.

> Its probably gonna have to be their idea if it works.

More examples of Democracy succeeding by force than not. You have to force the
ones who have control out of control...no other way around it.

> The Russians have had a struggle with it, and seem to be
>backsliding a bit lately. Actually theirs was sort of presented to their
>people too in that there was no groundswell of popular insistence
>on democratization. It was more like the leaders threw up their
>hands and said "this communism crap ain't workin, you people
>do it yourselves." I ramble, but I'm just saying that it is not as easy
>as "taking dee-mockracy to them folks."

No easy it isnt. So? Anything worth a shit isnt easy. Russia suffered from NOT
being conquered and having those in control either killed or put into prison.
Revolutions tend to be violent for a reason. The Government Bureaucrats who
acted like mob bosses when communism was the rule of the day simply transitioned
directly to being simply Gang leaders.

You can see this in business when a business is bought out the power structure
is usually decimated by firings just to clear the decks and let everyone else
know it isnt business as usual anymore. If you dont do that you tend to have
everyone shocked shitless for a few months then later on they go right back to
whatever business practices they learned prior to your takeover.

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>
>You are the ones who believe that
>> those people will always be the way they are, I believe they are the way
>they
>> are because of the conditions they have had to live in these last 300
>years.
>>
>> I believe that freedom will work y'all believe it won't. I believe in
>revolution
>> y'all believe in the status quo. I believe that evil exists,
>
>I very much believe that evil exists, but as a religious or
>philosophical concept, not as a strategic or tactical one.
>So when I hear GWB saying that we are going to "attack"
>evil, or "defeat" evil it rings hollow. We've got a bunch of
>bible-thumping ninnys running around screaming about evil
>when we need strategists and dispassionate thinkers (like the
>ones being purged from the CIA) fighting the terrorists.
>WS

The CIA failed for over 40 years to get anything right.

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> you dont.
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