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Ross Walker <walker@elec.uq.oz.au> wrote:
>I hope someone can offer a solution to my problem before I lose ALL of
>my hair! 
>
>Just purchased a Creative GCD-R542B Quad speed CD-Rom and no-name
>sound card with IDE interface. No manual was supplied with the CD-ROM.
>With the CD-ROM connected to the sound card's IDE interface, neither
>DOS, Win3.1 or Win95 will detect the drive. I've tried all three
>CD-ROM jumper settings (ma, sl, cs) without success (what does 'cs'
>mean?). Here's a rundown of what's happening:

[snip]

>
>
>I've read a number of similar requests for help in this newsgroup, but
>no definitive reply. Just a lot of other people with the same
>problem! Please - any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in
>advance.

Unfortunately, these all seem to point to the same problem.  The sound
card is not compatible with the CD-ROM.  You're either going to need
a newer sound card or pony up for an IDE interface to drive the CD-ROM.

-- 
Mike

My opinions, not Argonne's...

Ross Walker wrote:
>  
> Just purchased a Creative GCD-R542B Quad speed CD-Rom and no-name
> sound card with IDE interface. No manual was supplied with the CD-ROM.
> With the CD-ROM connected to the sound card's IDE interface, neither
> DOS, Win3.1 or Win95 will detect the drive. I've tried all three
> CD-ROM jumper settings (ma, sl, cs) without success (what does 'cs'
> mean?). Here's a rundown of what's happening:
> 
> DOS
> 
> Ran the install disk which added the following lines to config.sys:
> device=c:\sbcd\drv\sbide.sys /D:msc001 /p:1E8,11 /v


	It's very common that IDE interfaces on sound cards only work when assigned to the 
secondary IDE controller IRQ and address, i.e. IRQ15 and Addr. 170h.
	You need to change your sound card configuration and also the values on the sbide.sys 
device line on config.sys.
	Even if it won't work, it can always be the case that you have an old version of the 
sbide.sys driver. Old versions only worked on Sound Blaster's IDE controllers. In this case, 
check creative labs www.creaf.com and see if you can find a new version of the driver there.

	See ya!

	Leonel Morgado

In article <3133BE7F.794B@elec.uq.oz.au>, Ross Walker <walker@elec.uq.oz.au> says:
>
>I hope someone can offer a solution to my problem before I lose ALL of
>my hair! 
>
>Just purchased a Creative GCD-R542B Quad speed CD-Rom and no-name
>sound card with IDE interface. No manual was supplied with the CD-ROM.
>With the CD-ROM connected to the sound card's IDE interface, neither
>DOS, Win3.1 or Win95 will detect the drive. I've tried all three
>CD-ROM jumper settings (ma, sl, cs) without success (what does 'cs'
>mean?). Here's a rundown of what's happening:
>
>DOS
>
>Ran the install disk which added the following lines to config.sys:
>device=c:\sbcd\drv\sbide.sys /D:msc001 /p:1E8,11 /v
>
>and autoexec.bat:
>
>c:\sbcd\drv\mscdex.exe /d:msc001 /m:8 /v
>
>When dos is booted, the sbide.sys cannot find the CDROM and fails to
>load. Thus mscdex.exe also fails to load.
>
>WIN95
>
>After installing the sound card drivers successfully, Win95 fails to
>automatically detect the CD-ROM. Under manual hardware installation,
>the driver loads but can't find the device. Under CD-ROM Controllers,
>Device manager tells me that the CD-ROM isn't installed or the driver
>isn't loaded (error code 10). The driver uses the same (default)
>interrupt and address settings as the dos driver (1E8, interrupt 11).
>
>Without a manual for the drive, I have no idea what settings to use
>for interrupt and address. Should I be using the sbide.sys driver when
>the CD-ROM is actually connected to the sound card (not the hard disk
>interface)? What should the interrupt and address settings be for the
>sound card's IDE interface? The sound card manual mentions nothing
>about the ide interface specifics.
>
>Unfortunately, connecting the CD-ROM to my HD controller isn't an
>option. I'm using an old Tekram cacheing controller which doesn't seem
>to accept the CD-ROM as an ide drive.
>
>I've read a number of similar requests for help in this newsgroup, but
>no definitive reply. Just a lot of other people with the same
>problem! Please - any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in
>advance.
>
> 
>
>
>-- 
>Regards
>
>Ross


The usual practice would be to call your dealer about an 
EIDE generic loader and swap connections or your dealer would 
explain this to you in the first place - or even install it for you.
It sound's like you bought yours on the cheap though - maybe even 
a swap meet perhaps ?

Save a few dollars, earn headaches!


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Michael Richmann wrote:
> 
> Ross Walker <walker@elec.uq.oz.au> wrote:
> >I hope someone can offer a solution to my problem before I lose ALL of
> >my hair!
> >
> >Just purchased a Creative GCD-R542B Quad speed CD-Rom and no-name
> >sound card with IDE interface. No manual was supplied with the CD-ROM.
> >With the CD-ROM connected to the sound card's IDE interface, neither
> >DOS, Win3.1 or Win95 will detect the drive. I've tried all three
> >CD-ROM jumper settings (ma, sl, cs) without success (what does 'cs'
> >mean?). Here's a rundown of what's happening:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> >
> >
> >I've read a number of similar requests for help in this newsgroup, but
> >no definitive reply. Just a lot of other people with the same
> >problem! Please - any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in
> >advance.
> 
> Unfortunately, these all seem to point to the same problem.  The sound
> card is not compatible with the CD-ROM.  You're either going to need
> a newer sound card or pony up for an IDE interface to drive the CD-ROM.
> 
> --
> Mike
> 
> My opinions, not Argonne's...try slaving it of your hard drive controller
steve

Ross Walker <walker@elec.uq.oz.au> wrote:

I had a similar problem under Win95. It was not detecting the IDE port
or my sound card which should show up as another IDE controller.

I deleted my sound card from the 'System' icon in control panel and
then did another hardware auto detect. It then found the IDE port.
After a reboot it found my CD-DRIVE without a problem.

Moral: Make sure Win95 can see the sound card's IDE before trying to
find the CD-ROM. 

This took me 2 weeks to work out.
>I hope someone can offer a solution to my problem before I lose ALL of
>my hair! 

>Just purchased a Creative GCD-R542B Quad speed CD-Rom and no-name
>sound card with IDE interface. No manual was supplied with the CD-ROM.
>With the CD-ROM connected to the sound card's IDE interface, neither
>DOS, Win3.1 or Win95 will detect the drive. I've tried all three
>CD-ROM jumper settings (ma, sl, cs) without success (what does 'cs'
>mean?). Here's a rundown of what's happening:

>DOS

>Ran the install disk which added the following lines to config.sys:
>device=c:\sbcd\drv\sbide.sys /D:msc001 /p:1E8,11 /v

>and autoexec.bat:

>c:\sbcd\drv\mscdex.exe /d:msc001 /m:8 /v

>When dos is booted, the sbide.sys cannot find the CDROM and fails to
>load. Thus mscdex.exe also fails to load.

>WIN95

>After installing the sound card drivers successfully, Win95 fails to
>automatically detect the CD-ROM. Under manual hardware installation,
>the driver loads but can't find the device. Under CD-ROM Controllers,
>Device manager tells me that the CD-ROM isn't installed or the driver
>isn't loaded (error code 10). The driver uses the same (default)
>interrupt and address settings as the dos driver (1E8, interrupt 11).

>Without a manual for the drive, I have no idea what settings to use
>for interrupt and address. Should I be using the sbide.sys driver when
>the CD-ROM is actually connected to the sound card (not the hard disk
>interface)? What should the interrupt and address settings be for the
>sound card's IDE interface? The sound card manual mentions nothing
>about the ide interface specifics.

>Unfortunately, connecting the CD-ROM to my HD controller isn't an
>option. I'm using an old Tekram cacheing controller which doesn't seem
>to accept the CD-ROM as an ide drive.

>I've read a number of similar requests for help in this newsgroup, but
>no definitive reply. Just a lot of other people with the same
>problem! Please - any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in
>advance.

> 


>-- 
>Regards

>Ross

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Many thanks to all who replied. I now have the CDROM working in
DOS/Win3.11/Win95. This may be of interest to other readers. Here's what
I did:

The DOS problem was due to incorrect address/interrupt. The install
program sets these to the 1st?? IDE controller, but the sound card's IDE
is apparently on the 2nd IDE controller (address 170, interrupt 15,
can't be changed). This works:

Config.sys
device=c:\sbcd\drv\sbide.sys /D:msc001 /p:170,15 /v

This also allowed operation in Win3.11 as well.

Apparently, (according to a Creative readme file) the creative Win95
drivers are only for IDE ports 3 and 4???. The driver wouldn't allow
address 170 so couldn't be used in Win95. The Win95 driver (for
controller 1 and 2) wasn't loaded because it didn't detect the CDROM
drive. This problem was solved by adding the CDROM's DOS config.sys  and
autoexec.bat lines to WIN95's config/autoexec (edited from within
Win95). This works well, but I assume the CDrom is now accessed in 16
bit mode :( 

Hope that helps.



Ross Walker wrote:
> 
> Just purchased a Creative GCD-R542B Quad speed CD-Rom and no-name
> sound card with IDE interface. No manual was supplied with the CD-ROM.
> With the CD-ROM connected to the sound card's IDE interface, neither
> DOS, Win3.1 or Win95 will detect the drive. I've tried all three
> CD-ROM jumper settings (ma, sl, cs) without success (what does 'cs'
> mean?). Here's a rundown of what's happening:
> 
> DOS
> 
> Ran the install disk which added the following lines to config.sys:
> device=c:\sbcd\drv\sbide.sys /D:msc001 /p:1E8,11 /v
> 
> and autoexec.bat:
> 
> c:\sbcd\drv\mscdex.exe /d:msc001 /m:8 /v
> 
> When dos is booted, the sbide.sys cannot find the CDROM and fails to
> load. Thus mscdex.exe also fails to load.
> 
> WIN95
> 
> After installing the sound card drivers successfully, Win95 fails to
> automatically detect the CD-ROM. Under manual hardware installation,
> the driver loads but can't find the device. Under CD-ROM Controllers,
> Device manager tells me that the CD-ROM isn't installed or the driver
> isn't loaded (error code 10). The driver uses the same (default)
> interrupt and address settings as the dos driver (1E8, interrupt 11).
> 
> Without a manual for the drive, I have no idea what settings to use
> for interrupt and address. Should I be using the sbide.sys driver when
> the CD-ROM is actually connected to the sound card (not the hard disk
> interface)? What should the interrupt and address settings be for the
> sound card's IDE interface? The sound card manual mentions nothing
> about the ide interface specifics.
> 
> Unfortunately, connecting the CD-ROM to my HD controller isn't an
> option. I'm using an old Tekram cacheing controller which doesn't seem
> to accept the CD-ROM as an ide drive.
> 


-- 
Regards

Ross

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Centre for Sensor Signal and      /     *\  PHONE:  +61 7 8246556 (Home)
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Electrical & Computer Engineering \_/ \_/   FAX:    +61 7 3653684 
Ritchie Labs, Block C, Room 303        @ 
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