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8 total messages Started by Midgard Sat, 06 Dec 1997 00:00
Incompatibility issues concerning Seagate drives & TX chipset -- Pt. 2
#633
Author: Midgard
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 00:00
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Here's a copy of a private email msg to someone with first hand
experience on the subject:

On Sat, 6 Dec 97 00:36:17 +0000, you wrote:

>I have a Tyan Titan Turbo II (s1571s) Mo-Bo with an AMD K6-233. This is
>a TX Board. When I first set it up I used an old Quantum Drive and then
>put in the two Seagate Medalist (1gb) drives that I normally used and it
>completely killed the system (It woulden't boot past the Bios startup).
>After a month of fighting with Tyan, they finally tell me about the
>problem. The way they put it, all Seagate drives with a serial number
>ending in "A" WERE not compatable with the TX chipset. I say were
>because this was apparently only with older Bios versions. (Award). They
>sent me a replacement Bios chip free of charge and the system works fine
>with the seagate drives. I don't recall specifically which version I
>have now but reply if you want me to check it out and I will let you
>know.
>
>Also, very important to me, where did you hear about the seagate\TX
>compatability problem. I searched everwhere and could not find any
>further info about it. Please let me know
>
>Thanks, and hope I helped
>Jason Hamwey
>jhamwey@ramapo.edu

Jason,

I first heard about this problem in a fleeting reference on one of the
many PC hardware web sites.  Can't remember exactly which one though.
However, I did come across more detailed info on Tyan's own web page
in a FAQ.  Here's the relevant section: 

Question:
Why doesn't My system recognize some of the Seagate hard drives? 

Answer:
A hard disk interface chip used in certain Seagate hard drives has a
compatibility problem with the Intel PIIX4 chipset, and all of the TX
series have this PIIX4 I/O controller installed. This Arizona
interface chip used has a problem with host PIIX4 chipset in a way
that PIIX4 output is at 3.3V, but for the Seagate Arizona chip, it's
minimum input level for a valid "high" is set at 3.3V. Therefore,
signal comes out of PIIX4 can not be recognized by the Arizona
interface chip sometimes. Seagate will provide Galileo Rev."B"
interface chip to correct this problem. The known Seagate hard drive
models have Arizona interface chip are:

ST31276A ST32531A ST33240A ST31720A 

Also, someone else responded to my usenet post & claimed that they
found a list of all Seagate drives incompatible with the 430TX chipset
on Seagate's own home page.  However, I spent nearly an hour yesterday
searching for it using their in-house search engine with absolutely no
luck.  Now I'm really really nervous about my planned upgrade.  My
two-year old Seagate model # ends in an 'A' (ST-3851A) & the Shuttle
HOT-565 MB I had my eye on uses the TX chipset.  I have a lousey $300
to purchase components for my upgrade -- mainboard, video, & cpu -- &
can't afford to make the slightest miscalculation.  If I find any
additional info on the subject, I'll keep you posted and hopefully
you'll do the same for me.  Later.

Best,
Joe (aka Midgard)

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Re: Incompatibility issues concerning Seagate drives & TX chipset -- Pt. 2
#624
Author: Bob Goddard
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 00:00
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In article <66bqev$fom@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Midgard
<crystaldagger-nospam-@hotmail.com> writes

[snip]

>The known Seagate hard drive
>models have Arizona interface chip are:
>
>ST31276A ST32531A ST33240A ST31720A 
>
[snip]

>  My
>two-year old Seagate model # ends in an 'A' (ST-3851A) 

Don't worry about the "A" - that's just Seagate's way of telling you
it's an IDE drive.

Bob
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Re: Incompatibility issues concerning Seagate drives & TX chipset -- Pt. 2
#617
Author: todd
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:00
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found this problem myself this weekend with a st31621a wasn't on a list of
affected drives but as soon as I upgraded the mother board to a tx and
booted up it trashed all the info on the drive found a small sheet of paper
in a previous upgrades mb box from a open to up vio to 3.52 worked


Chris Quirke wrote in message <66n4lj$k07$5@news01.iafrica.com>...
>Bob Goddard <Bob@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>In article <66bqev$fom@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Midgard
>
>>>The known Seagate hard drive
>>>models have Arizona interface chip are:
>
>>>ST31276A ST32531A ST33240A ST31720A
>
>>>My two-year old Seagate model # ends in an 'A' (ST-3851A)
>
>>Don't worry about the "A" - that's just Seagate's way of telling you
>>it's an IDE drive.
>
>Yup.  Worry instead about the xxx1 part; according to Seagate, unless
>that's the 6.4G ST-xxx1A, it's going to bomb on TX, as will any
>ST-xxx0A model number.  New ST-xxx2A's are OK for TX, but many still
>look suspiciously like the old Conner bottom-feeders.
>
>
>>-------------- ----- ---- --- -- - -  -    -
>When no-one is innocent, everyone is paranoid
>
Re: Incompatibility issues concerning Seagate drives & TX chipset -- Pt. 2
#620
Author: Chris Quirke
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:00
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Bob Goddard <Bob@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <66bqev$fom@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Midgard

>>The known Seagate hard drive
>>models have Arizona interface chip are:

>>ST31276A ST32531A ST33240A ST31720A 

>>My two-year old Seagate model # ends in an 'A' (ST-3851A) 

>Don't worry about the "A" - that's just Seagate's way of telling you
>it's an IDE drive.

Yup.  Worry instead about the xxx1 part; according to Seagate, unless
that's the 6.4G ST-xxx1A, it's going to bomb on TX, as will any
ST-xxx0A model number.  New ST-xxx2A's are OK for TX, but many still
look suspiciously like the old Conner bottom-feeders.


>-------------- ----- ---- --- -- - -  -    -
When no-one is innocent, everyone is paranoid
Re: Incompatibility issues concerning Seagate drives & TX chipset -- Pt. 2
#618
Author: Midgard
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:00
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On Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:27:32 GMT, cquirke@iafrica.com (Chris Quirke)
wrote:

>Bob Goddard <Bob@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>In article <66bqev$fom@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Midgard
>
>>>The known Seagate hard drive
>>>models have Arizona interface chip are:
>
>>>ST31276A ST32531A ST33240A ST31720A 
>
>>>My two-year old Seagate model # ends in an 'A' (ST-3851A) 
>
>>Don't worry about the "A" - that's just Seagate's way of telling you
>>it's an IDE drive.
>
>Yup.  Worry instead about the xxx1 part; according to Seagate, unless
>that's the 6.4G ST-xxx1A, it's going to bomb on TX, as will any
>ST-xxx0A model number.  New ST-xxx2A's are OK for TX, but many still
>look suspiciously like the old Conner bottom-feeders.

As the originator of this thread, let me once and for all put a stake
through it's heart.  I contacted *both* the maufacturer of the TX
motherboard I'm buying (Shuttle HOT-569) & Seagate and they informed
me that there should be no problem using the ST-3851A with an Intel
430TX chipset.  :�

Best,
Midgard

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Re: Incompatibility issues concerning Seagate drives & TX chipset -- Pt. 2
#613
Author: Bob Goddard
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:00
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In article <66nfko$rth@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, Midgard
<joseph569-nospam-@rocketmail.com> writes
>
>As the originator of this thread, let me once and for all put a stake
>through it's heart.  I contacted *both* the maufacturer of the TX
>motherboard I'm buying (Shuttle HOT-569) & Seagate and they informed
>me that there should be no problem using the ST-3851A with an Intel
>430TX chipset.  :�

Glad to hear it. I hope it works out OK - let us know how you get on.

Meanwhile... why spoil a perfectly good argu^H^H^H discussion? ;-)

Bob
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 >---B---------|  The computer is an idiot,          |---Reply to me--->
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                  Is one plus one makes ten.
Re: Incompatibility issues concerning Seagate drives & TX chipset -- Pt. 2
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Author: Felix1
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:00
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>As the originator of this thread, let me once and for all put a stake
>through it's heart.  I contacted *both* the maufacturer of the TX
>motherboard I'm buying (Shuttle HOT-569) & Seagate and they informed
>me that there should be no problem using the ST-3851A with an Intel
>430TX chipset.  :�
>
>Best,
>Midgard
>
>To reply via email, remove '-nospam-' in return address.

Yes, you are correct, it WILL work, but the performance is Piss poor,
and not recommended......

I am on my third ST-3851A drive and it will NOT go in a Intel
Motherboard.

They all failed resulting in loosing data.
Re: Incompatibility issues concerning Seagate drives & TX chipset -- Pt. 2
#611
Author: Chris Kennington - newshound
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:00
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Re the Seagate chipset incompatibility:

    My f.n.disk-guru, who builds quite a lot of computers, and who,
 being commercial, is far too busy to read d.t.pc, was extemely
 grateful for a copy of some of this thread.  He'd just spent half
 a day trying to work out why a new m/board and new Seagate would
 not co-exist .....

    Thanks all around.
                                                Chris K.
-- 
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  You can mail me with suitable modifications to header-addresses,
   or to "chris <at> inf-eden.demon.co.uk", replacing the <at>.
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