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Article #369Questionable rebate programs (Was Re: CompUSA transcript)
From: Philip J. Koenig
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:00
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:00
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[trimmed misc.forsale.computers.memory from newsgroups, added misc.consumers] In article <6ojsbk$2o7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, ablang@post1.com writes... > Here is the story Teri Aitkins was working on to expose the evil CompUSA > mail-in rebate program: > > > Hi all... > Okay, it finally made air! The CompUSA story we've been working > on for months now, has finally been show on the SF Bay Area NBC station! > Thanks to all, especially to John Buen for bringing to our attention, > Ron Ablang, for posting it on dejanews and forwarding email to me, and > Mark Welch & Marc Katz for agreeing to our on-camera interview. We hope > it'll help others who are having problems, and that it'll also help > consumers who are considering buying a product that offers a rebate. > I'm also emailing the following script to my friend at Dateline NBC, in > hopes that the problem will get national attention! Thank you all again > for all your help and for your patience!! > Teri Aitkins > Producer, KRON-TV > 1001 Van Ness Avenue > San Francisco, CA 94109 > aitkins @ kron.com [script snipped] Reading over that piece, there were 2 things that bothered me. First of all, the assumption that companies weren't "out to get" the consumer. Why should that assumption be made? What they failed to mention is that Iomega was recently forced to pay a multimillion dollar class-action settlement due to not making good on rebate offers. Secondly, the assumption that the reason for the surge in popularity in rebates is because it's "an attempt to make their prices more competitive" and to gather marketing information is in my view just poorly supported speculation. The easiest way to make a price "competitive" is simply to LOWER it. All manufacturers and retailers want to have attractive prices, the question is, how do you do it and maintain your profit margin? The answer is offer a rebate instead of a price-reduction because it doesn't take a rocket-scientist to figure out that only a small fraction of the actual purchases will actually have rebate claims submitted. Therefore the vendor and retailer gets the marketing message of "Cheap" but the manufacturer doesn't have to lose as much profit as the "discount" (and I use that term loosely) would imply. E.G. if a normally $100 item is discounted 30 "real dollars" the manufacturer loses $30 right off the top in profit on each item. If the same item is marketed with a $30 rebate, and only 10% of the purchasers submit a rebate claim (or 50% submit claims and the vendor comes up with some way to invalidate the other 40%), the manufacturer in effect only loses THREE dollars per unit due to all the unclaimed rebates. The idea that the manufacturers "don't plan on how many responses" they're going to get is pretty ridiculous too. They know d*mn well how many units they sell, don't they? If they're so pathetically useless at making a simple estimate such as that, I'd find it amazing that they'd have a fraction of the skill necessary to manufacture a computer item in the first place. And such is life with a rebate program - unlike a simple wholesale price reduction, you never really know who's going to take advantage of it. But of course, if you don't provide for full usage, it's like a bank that doesn't have enough cash on hand to cash checks. Bottom line, I view the piece as a lukewarm consumer message, throwing responsibility into the hands of the purchasers, and further sullied by heavy apologizing for highly-questionable industry practices. It's about time these rebate scams are exposed, and while this is an OK start, there needs to be a far more hard-hitting attitude if there is going to be much benefit to the consumer, IMHO. Phil -- Philip J. Koenig Computers & Communications [see below] References to my email address in this message have been modified to foil address-collection robots. If you wish to send email, use the following address by removing numbers and spaces: pjk29@crl46 . c o m
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 11474a,a9058570f36bc91 X-Google-Attributes: gid11474a,public X-Google-Thread: 1002bf,a9058570f36bc91 X-Google-Attributes: gid1002bf,public X-Google-Thread: 109e38,a9058570f36bc91 X-Google-Attributes: gid109e38,public From: For_Email@ddress.see.below_plea.se (Philip J. Koenig) Subject: Questionable rebate programs (Was Re: CompUSA transcript) Date: 1998/07/16 Message-ID: <MPG.10179d546c6422ac989697@ispnews.walltech.com> X-Deja-AN: 372011150 References: <6ojsbk$2o7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> X-Trace: news7.ispnews.com 900595058 27189 208.211.98.197 (16 Jul 1998 13:17:38 GMT) Organization: Computers & Communications NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jul 1998 13:17:38 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,alt.consumers.experiences,ba.market.computers