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On Sat, 27 May 2000 13:40:23 +0100, Adrian Thompson
<A.R.Thompson@durham.ac.uk> wrote:

>I am new to this newsgroup, so I will try to be as precise as possible.
>I have a PII-450MHz, 128SDRAM, 6Gb Hdd, and...
>I want to upgrade my graphics card from my current, and tortoise-like,
>STB Velocity 4400, which is based on the NVidia Riva TNT chipset, with
>16mb RAM, to either the Voodoo 5 5000 (or 5500) or the Ge-Force 2
>chipset-based card.

With the p2-450, definately go for the GF2 or GF1 DDR. Presently(or
when the cards actually retails) the V5 is pretty taxing on the CPU.

Check:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/fsaav5gf2part2/

for 450MHz benchies on both cards.

>Which is best for playing DVDs? (I am having some problems with my
>computer and DVDs at the moment.) Would I be better off going for a
>separate DVD Decoder card like the Sigma Realmagic Hollywood card?

H+ kicks ass. Skip the pass-through, only watch through TV-out, using
S-video cables. Sweet, very close to set-top DVD-players.

>Also, what is the difference between the Creative Graphics card which is
>called the Ge-Force 256 Annihilator Pro and the Ge-Force 2 chipset??

Slightly different chipsets(GF vs. GF2), slightly faster memory on the
upcoming GF Annihilator 2. The GF Annihilator 2 will be about twice as
fast in 16-bit, though.

>Any help will be greatly appreciated - particularly from anyone in the
>UK (where I live!!)

Discriminating, are we? ;-) 

Will a swedish response do? :)


/Magnus

On Sat, 27 May 2000 17:15:32 +0200, dat95msn@NOSPAMmds.mdh.se (Magnus
Svensson) wrote:

>Check:
>http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/fsaav5gf2part2/
>
>for 450MHz benchies on both cards.

Oops, make that:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/fsaav5gf2part3/


/Magnus

Hi Adrian,

The GTS2 (Geforce2) has TV out and Power DVD 2.55.  Voodoo is more of a 
gamers card without TV out.  The best card for DVD is the ATI Rage Fury 
Maxx and a TV out.  The best gamers card is the Voodoo 5500, and I own the 
GTS2.  It just isn't a good card in my mind.  To many little glitches and 
is a high maintenance card.  If your primarily a gamer, go Voodoo.  If you 
are a DVD fan go Rage Fury Maxx.  It is the best card for DVD.

Ok, what else.  The Geforce 256vs. GTS2:  fast cards but not hardware 
friendly.  The GTS2 is the second generation of the GeForce, but with only 
a few upgrades.  Not worth the $330 American dollars.

If you decide to by a GTS2, by it from Creative (Annihilator2), not the 
Hercules ProphetGTS2, unless it doesn't have TV out <-(Annihilator2).  
Both chips are made by Nvidia, but Annihilator is the better card.

I own the Rage Fury Maxx and it has awesome DVD.  When the Voodoo 5500 is 
finally out it will be a great gaming card and will be as fast as the GTS2 
if the drivers for it are well done.  Hope I helped.  

Michael Sanders



Adrian Thompson wrote:
> 
> I am new to this newsgroup, so I will try to be as precise as possible.
> I have a PII-450MHz, 128SDRAM, 6Gb Hdd, and...
> I want to upgrade my graphics card from my current, and tortoise-like,
> STB Velocity 4400, which is based on the NVidia Riva TNT chipset, with
> 16mb RAM, to either the Voodoo 5 5000 (or 5500) or the Ge-Force 2
> chipset-based card.
> 
> Which is best for playing DVDs? (I am having some problems with my
> computer and DVDs at the moment.) Would I be better off going for a
> separate DVD Decoder card like the Sigma Realmagic Hollywood card?
> 
> Also, what is the difference between the Creative Graphics card which is
> called the Ge-Force 256 Annihilator Pro and the Ge-Force 2 chipset??
> 
> Any help will be greatly appreciated - particularly from anyone in the
> UK (where I live!!)
> 
> Adrian Thompson


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In article <sj1poqu15pj110@corp.supernews.com>, Mike Sanders <msanders77@hotmail.com> wrote:

> When the Voodoo 5500 is finally out it will be a great gaming card and will 
>be as fast as the GTS2 

Heh, no it won't. Know why? You're neglecting to take the CPU someone uses
into account. It's going to be mostly "as fast as a GTS2" only if the V5 is 
paired with a fast processor in the first place.

"JvG" <jeang@dds.nl> wrote in message
news:KWmY4.16387$pX5.897995@sol.newscene.com...
> In article <sj1poqu15pj110@corp.supernews.com>, Mike Sanders
<msanders77@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > When the Voodoo 5500 is finally out it will be a great gaming card and
will
> >be as fast as the GTS2
>
> Heh, no it won't.
> It's going to be mostly "as fast as a GTS2" only if the V5 is paired with
a fast processor in the first place.

You contradict yourself and agree with what he said.
Nice move. :)

> That being said, if the sumbitches can ever get the damn card out, it
looks like
> it should be a winner, since they seem to have overcome their driver
issues
> (with v1.1 driverset)

Maybe after they get the V3 drivers fixed...hehe

In article <g1pY4.73845$55.586993@news1.sttls1.wa.home.com>, "Matt" <nothanks@none.com> wrote:

>> > When the Voodoo 5500 is finally out it will be a great gaming card and
>will
>> >be as fast as the GTS2
>>
>> Heh, no it won't.
>> It's going to be mostly "as fast as a GTS2" only if the V5 is paired with
>a fast processor in the first place.
>
>You contradict yourself and agree with what he said.
>Nice move. :)

Not really, his statement unconditionally applies to all circumstances, 
whereas mine doesn't. ;)

In article <8gtags$gsj$1@216.39.144.253>, beare@oz.net wrote:

>Athlon 700s are under $200, and P3-550e and Celeron2-566's are great
>overclockers, and can be had cheap.

Not in Holland. ;)

BTW, apparently the V5 5500 is going to cost 500 smackaroos here, ouch!

>That being said, if the sumbitches can ever get the damn card out, it looks
> like
>it should be a winner, since they seem to have overcome their driver issues
>(with v1.1 driverset)

V5 should definitely be a reasonably nice card.

JvG wrote in message ...
>Not in Holland. ;)
>
>BTW, apparently the V5 5500 is going to cost 500 smackaroos here, ouch!

Yeah, cheapest I have seen it advertised in Canada is $419. Add tax and you
can kiss $500 bucks goodbye. GF2's range from $475 to $550 plus tax!!! To
compare, my V3 cost me $269 the week it was released! This round of cards
are rediculous in price. Hopefully V5/GF/GF2 will start some price wars
soon. And I hope ATI gets something out the door soon as well. Not that I
care about buying it, but just to see more competition ;-)

>V5 should definitely be a reasonably nice card.

You need some sleep! You almost said something nice about 3dfx ;-)

"JvG" <jeang@dds.nl> wrote in message
news:JxxY4.20536$pX5.971857@sol.newscene.com...
> In article <g1pY4.73845$55.586993@news1.sttls1.wa.home.com>, "Matt"
<nothanks@none.com> wrote:
>
> >> > When the Voodoo 5500 is finally out it will be a great gaming card
and
> >will
> >> >be as fast as the GTS2
> >>
> >> Heh, no it won't.
> >> It's going to be mostly "as fast as a GTS2" only if the V5 is paired
with
> >a fast processor in the first place.
> >
> >You contradict yourself and agree with what he said.
> >Nice move. :)
>
> Not really, his statement unconditionally applies to all circumstances,
> whereas mine doesn't. ;)

True, but the comparison was about the boards themselves.  A condition may
exist where the V5 and GTS may become near equals.
Some of us dont really care about the low end CPU results very much.  I dont
plan on downgrading my CPU in the next year. :)

"ZOD" <ZOD@ZOD.com> wrote in message
news:5rxY4.422$XK.86571@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net...
> Maybe after they get the V3 drivers fixed...hehe

Is there a problem with the V3 drivers?
All my games are running fine.

> Is there a problem with the V3 drivers?
> All my games are running fine.

Try using different (older) versions if IE5. You will see the problems
then....

Hey Zod you're right, my old version of IE5 is horrible, with my
Voodoo3 3000.  In fact some of my older games are shit too with this
card:  Zork 1 and the original Flight SImulator look like hell.  Damn
3dfx, they should get their shit together.


>> Is there a problem with the V3 drivers?
>> All my games are running fine.
>
>Try using different (older) versions if IE5. You will see the problems
>then....
>
>
>

"ZOD" <ZOD@ZOD.com> wrote in message
news:5JBY4.1606$XK.160108@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net...
> > Is there a problem with the V3 drivers?
> > All my games are running fine.
>
> Try using different (older) versions if IE5. You will see the problems
> then....

You still having that Explorer crash problem?  I havent had it since I got
my new system setup a couple months ago.
I believe that was when we had this discussion before.  Like I said back
then, it's gotta be an IE problem not a 3dfx driver problem.
Cant blame 3dfx for problems with your system man..

> You still having that Explorer crash problem?  I havent had it since I got
> my new system setup a couple months ago.

No way...I'm running a GF DDR, remember?
Hehe...

> I believe that was when we had this discussion before.  Like I said back
> then, it's gotta be an IE problem not a 3dfx driver problem.
> Cant blame 3dfx for problems with your system man..

These drivers are going to be in perpetual beta now that the V5's got the
limelight...(.or should I have said lemon)?
Hehe....

In article <8gud6m$5il$1@news.vancouver.zadall.com>, "Unknown Shadow" <UnknownShadow@REMOVE_hotmail.com_THIS> wrote:

>>BTW, apparently the V5 5500 is going to cost 500 smackaroos here, ouch!
>
>Yeah, cheapest I have seen it advertised in Canada is $419. Add tax and you
>can kiss $500 bucks goodbye. GF2's range from $475 to $550 plus tax!!! To
>compare, my V3 cost me $269 the week it was released! This round of cards
>are rediculous in price. Hopefully V5/GF/GF2 will start some price wars
>soon. And I hope ATI gets something out the door soon as well. Not that I
>care about buying it, but just to see more competition ;-)

Yeah, but this is ridiculous. $500 here for a V5 5500, I could get a GF2 GTS 
for a lot cheaper. Ugh. Oh well, I'm not buying either anyway. :)

>>V5 should definitely be a reasonably nice card.
>
>You need some sleep! You almost said something nice about 3dfx ;-)

I did? Damn. ;)

In article <8gugr7$c3q$3@216.39.144.253>, beare@oz.net wrote:

>holy shyster!!!!!!!  That is sick!!!  The GTS here is about $50 to $60 more
> than
>the V5.  Are you seeing that to be the case in Holland?

No, it's about 50 to 75 bucks cheaper. Funny how things are the opposite
here. :)

In article <1CzY4.74614$55.594435@news1.sttls1.wa.home.com>, "Matt" <nothanks@none.com> wrote:

>True, but the comparison was about the boards themselves.  A condition may
>exist where the V5 and GTS may become near equals.
>Some of us dont really care about the low end CPU results very much.  I dont
>plan on downgrading my CPU in the next year. :)

Hehe, damn you guys with your fast CPUs. ;)

JvG wrote in message ...
>Yeah, but this is ridiculous. $500 here for a V5 5500, I could get a GF2
GTS
>for a lot cheaper. Ugh. Oh well, I'm not buying either anyway. :)

V5 is more expensive? That really is screwed up. V5 seems to be $50-$100
bucks cheaper than GTS here in Canada. I'd like to upgrade from the V3 but
not at those prices. If we don't see some nice price drops this summer I'll
probably wait for NV20/Rampage and see what happens. Maybe they will be
worth $500 bucks. I think Diablo II will keep me busy until then anyways!

In article <8h1ggk$cka$3@216.39.144.253>, beare@oz.net wrote:
>jeang@dds.nl (JvG) wrote:
>
>
>>Yeah, but this is ridiculous. $500 here for a V5 5500, I could get a GF2 GTS 
>>for a lot cheaper. Ugh. Oh well, I'm not buying either anyway. :)
>
>The GTS is cheaper there than the 5500?  That's strange!!!  

Yep, indeed. A GTS is around $425 here, and even the new Asus Deluxe GTS
with tv in/out is a couple of bucks cheaper than the V5 5500.

>I guess you have a DDR you're happy with, eh?  

Definitely. :)

NV20 is what I will be interested in, this new generation of cards simply 
doesn't offer enough of a performance jump.

JvG wrote in message ...
>NV20 is what I will be interested in, this new generation of cards simply
>doesn't offer enough of a performance jump.

Gotta agree there. Hell, I've still got my V3 and I still don't consider
current cards to be worth $500 bucks for me. The V3 still plays everything
just fine. I'll be waiting to see what NV20 or Rampage has to offer. Maybe
they will be worth $500 bucks. Not sure about Rampage but I think NV20 will
be out this fall. I hope they have done two things with NV20:

1. Added some sort of accumulation buffer to equal 3dfx's FSAA.
2. Solved the damn memory bandwidth problem.

I want a card that can do 1024x768x32 with 4xAA enabled at 80-100fps in even
the most demanding games. Is that too much to ask for from NV20 or
Rampage???

The voodoo 5 5500 over in the UK is �200 which is exactly $300 by using

The curency calculator @

http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/currency/currcalc.html

Speak to ya soon

Chris

Unknown Shadow <UnknownShadow@REMOVE_hotmail.com_THIS> wrote in message
news:8gud6m$5il$1@news.vancouver.zadall.com...
> JvG wrote in message ...
> >Not in Holland. ;)
> >
> >BTW, apparently the V5 5500 is going to cost 500 smackaroos here, ouch!
>
> Yeah, cheapest I have seen it advertised in Canada is $419. Add tax and
you
> can kiss $500 bucks goodbye. GF2's range from $475 to $550 plus tax!!! To
> compare, my V3 cost me $269 the week it was released! This round of cards
> are rediculous in price. Hopefully V5/GF/GF2 will start some price wars
> soon. And I hope ATI gets something out the door soon as well. Not that I
> care about buying it, but just to see more competition ;-)
>
> >V5 should definitely be a reasonably nice card.
>
> You need some sleep! You almost said something nice about 3dfx ;-)
>
>
>
>

> current cards to be worth $500 bucks for me. The V3 still plays everything
> just fine. I'll be waiting to see what NV20 or Rampage has to offer. Maybe

Yeah, well I know somebody who thinks his Virge plays just fine too..hehe