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Article #18976Re: ATI Ultra Pro: Good or SUCKS????
From: stockman harlan w
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 15:52
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 15:52
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In article <_ah3djk@rpi.edu> gilem@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile) writes: >Well, I have one too, and although it is fast, it still doesn't compare to >a Sun, NeXT, or RS/6000 for scrolling speed, but it is still really fast. >I certainly could always use more speed, though, and if you are running windows >all the time, I would suggest getting the fastest video you can! > I read this with chagrin; I have an "old" ATI Ultra running under both MS-Windows and Unix / X11. To see the true performance of this card, you really have to run it under X11, with Roell's server; it scrolls much faster than an RS/6000, and posts an 82000 to 85000 Xstone rating-- subjectively, it buries a Next or Sun Sparc+ under X11. When we run programs on the Suns and RS/6000, and redirect the display to my 486 with the Ultra, the display performace improves significantly over the native machine. I guess this is as much an advertisement for X11, as an indictment of MS-Windows. Now, after that glowing comment, here is the message I was about to post-- It shows that not all is happy and fun times in ATI-land. =============CUT HERE FOR ATI WOES=================================== Help!! The performance of my ATI Ultra+, compared to my older ATI Ultra, is so bad that there must be something very wrong with the setup. I've followed ATI's instructions to the letter. The system with the Ultra+ is running 25 to 30 times slower for text under MS-Windows. No, that's not a misprint. The quantitative basis for this comparison is winbench 2.5; it also jives with my subjective observations using wpwin on both cards. The cards are in two different machines-- both are Gateway 486/33 ISA, with identical RAM and drives. The system with the Ultra (mach 8) has a NEC 3FGx, and the system with the Ultra+ has a Sony 1304 monitor. The Ultra (mach 8) is using the older ATI mach 8 drivers, and the Ultra+ is using Mach32 drivers. Oddly enough, on the Ultra+ system I switched to the generic 8514a drivers and got a 6-fold boost in text speed. Both cards are set up for 1024*768. The Ultra+ is set up for 256 colors; the number of colors on the Ultra under Windows is not explicitly stated, but it seems to be 256 (under Unix/X11, the Ultra has 256 colors in 1024*768). Both cards have 1 MB RAM. In any case I've tried reconfiguring the Ultra+ to fewer colors, and had no improvement in performance-- not to mention the complete disappearence of scroll bars, due to the buggy drivers. I had no problems with the Sony 1304 (trinitron) setup; I picked 70 Hz vertical from the ATI custom configuration menu, which jived with what was in the Sony manual for 1024*768 non-interlaced. I've also configured the system for 800*600, with no gain in performance. The Ultra+ is set to "shared" for VGA/8514a memory, with an aperture at 12MB. The ATI documentation is extraordinarily unhelpful -- there is no hint as to whether an "improper" monitor setup will lower performance. Any reasonable advice would be appreciated. The "old" Ultra was so fast- I expected a performance boost with the new card -- what a shock!!
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!cbnewse!cbnewsd!att-out!pacbell.com!lll-winken!snll-arpagw!hwstock From: hwstock@snll-arpagw.llnl.gov (stockman harlan w) Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Pro: Good or SUCKS???? Message-ID: <409@snll-arpagw.llnl.gov> Date: 20 Jan 93 15:52:30 GMT References: <1993Jan18.183906.29951@bnr.ca> <1993Jan19.213036.3561@VFL.Paramax.COM> <_ah3djk@rpi.edu> Organization: Sandia National Labs, Livermore, CA Lines: 63