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In article <1991May6.200858.11411@news.nd.edu> suhardjo@ndcvx.cc.nd.edu writes:
>I'm thinking of replacing the AIX with BSD on my RTs.  How much will it
>cost?
>
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> ____________________________________________________________________________
>| Johanes Suhardjo                 |               Civil Engineering         |
>| suhardjo@ndcvx.cc.nd.edu         |            University of Notre Dame     |
>| johanes@newton.ce.nd.edu         |      P.O. Box 825, Notre Dame, IN 46556 | 
> ____________________________________________________________________________

Johanes, the IBM/4.3 product was withdrawn in December of last year, so in
practical terms the cost is infinite -- IBM will not sell it to you under
any circumstances. It may be the case that Notre Dame already has one or
more rt's running IBM/4.3 (aka "ACIS", "AOS", or perhaps "Berkeley Unix"),
according to my copy of the customer list, Notre Dame is a University
Customer of IBM 4.3, and a Dr. Chong Lee is listed as the point of contact
at Notre Dame. I suggest that you speak with Dr. Lee or his/her replacement
and locate your September and/or December 1988 distribution tapes, or the
Notre Dame network loader host, and do an installation from either of those
two sources.

Note that you _must_ have a binary-only C compiler (Metaware), I think that
the release level at that time was 2.1n (use cc -v, or ar t on an available
.c or .a files, resp.), and the last version of the compiler I released
prior to the end of support for the products (4.3 as well as all of the
3rd party licensed compilers) was 2.1y.

If you get this far (install the September release or the December upgrade),
you may wish to install some or all of the patches I've posted to this news
group since May 1989 when I started supporting the product. These are all
available with the exception of the 3rd party compilers via anonymous FTP
from bikini.cis.ufl.edu (aka "ufl.edu").

There are quite a few cooperating sites running 4.3bsd on the RT in the
US and abroad. In Indiana are is the Bloomington and Indianapolis campus
of the State University system, and Purdue. Let me know if you decide to
take the trouble to replace AIX 2.2.1 with IBM/4.3, I'll be happy to help
via email and/or phone.


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#include <std/disclaimer.h>
Eric Brunner 4bsd/RT Project
inet: brunner@monet.berkeley.edu		uucp: uunet!practic!brunner
trying to understand multiprocessing is like having bees live inside your head.

Is there any chance that IBM will release the source code for the BSD port?
IBM no longer has any financial interest in keeping it restricted (as far as
I can tell; both the RT and AIX v2 are dead products).  If the source were
released it could probably be integrated into the BSD release (a port to 4.3
reno has already been done; but the VM interface will change for BSD 4.4)

--
    John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu)

In article <48170@practic.UUCP>, brunner@practic.UUCP (Thomas Eric Brunner) writes:
|>
|> Johanes, the IBM/4.3 product was withdrawn in December of last year, so in
|> practical terms the cost is infinite -- IBM will not sell it to you under
|> any circumstances. It may be the case that Notre Dame already has one or
|> more rt's running IBM/4.3 (aka "ACIS", "AOS", or perhaps "Berkeley Unix"),
|> according to my copy of the customer list, Notre Dame is a University
|> Customer of IBM 4.3, and a Dr. Chong Lee is listed as the point of contact
|> at Notre Dame. I suggest that you speak with Dr. Lee or his/her replacement
|> and locate your September and/or December 1988 distribution tapes, or the
|> Notre Dame network loader host, and do an installation from either of those
|> two sources.
|> 
|> Note that you _must_ have a binary-only C compiler (Metaware), I think that
|> the release level at that time was 2.1n (use cc -v, or ar t on an available
|> .c or .a files, resp.), and the last version of the compiler I released
|> prior to the end of support for the products (4.3 as well as all of the
|> 3rd party licensed compilers) was 2.1y.
|> 
|> If you get this far (install the September release or the December upgrade),
|> you may wish to install some or all of the patches I've posted to this news
|> group since May 1989 when I started supporting the product. These are all
|> available with the exception of the 3rd party compilers via anonymous FTP
|> from bikini.cis.ufl.edu (aka "ufl.edu").
|> 
|> There are quite a few cooperating sites running 4.3bsd on the RT in the
|> US and abroad. In Indiana are is the Bloomington and Indianapolis campus
|> of the State University system, and Purdue. Let me know if you decide to
|> take the trouble to replace AIX 2.2.1 with IBM/4.3, I'll be happy to help
|> via email and/or phone.
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> #include <std/disclaimer.h>
|> Eric Brunner 4bsd/RT Project
|> inet: brunner@monet.berkeley.edu		uucp: uunet!practic!brunner
|> trying to understand multiprocessing is like having bees live inside your head.


Thanks a lot for the information.  I don't know how much trouble it will
be.  For your information, these RT's have been dead for years.  I am 
just trying to ressurect them for fun.  If I work for half an hour a day, how long will it take to replace the AIX with BSD?  Any further
information will be appreciated.  In the mean time, I'll try to contact Dr. Chong Lee.
-- 

 ____________________________________________________________________________
| Johanes Suhardjo                 |               Civil Engineering         |
| suhardjo@ndcvx.cc.nd.edu         |            University of Notre Dame     |
| johanes@newton.ce.nd.edu         |      P.O. Box 825, Notre Dame, IN 46556 | 
 ____________________________________________________________________________

As I understand it, there might be IBM-internal politics involved in freeing
up RT code.  Even though we all know BSD/RT is *no* competition for the
RS/6000 product, there may be people at IBM who feel otherwise.  Someone
at IBM is supposed to have been working on getting them to free up their code,
but I haven't heard of any movement in the area.  If it happens, and gcc2 for
the RT becomes available, it is almost certain to find its way into the UCB
CSRG BSD releases.  This is also the only practical way to distribute post-AOS
4bsd work, since noone is going to want to check AT&T licenses if they aren't
already set up to do it.

rayan

In article <1991May13.141315.8410@news.nd.edu> suhardjo@ndcvx.cc.nd.edu writes:
>In article <48170@practic.UUCP>, brunner@practic.UUCP (Thomas Eric Brunner) writes:
>|> There are quite a few cooperating sites running 4.3bsd on the RT in the
>|> US and abroad. In Indiana are is the Bloomington and Indianapolis campus
>|> of the State University system, and Purdue. Let me know if you decide to
>just trying to ressurect them for fun.  If I work for half an hour a day, how long will it take to replace the AIX with BSD?  Any further

We are using mach (msd 2.6) from Mt. Xinu on our RT's.  This gives us a BSD
look and feel plus the mach kernel.  We just installed it a couple of months
ago.  We had the usual startup problems, but currently it runs reasonably
well.  Much better than AIX.  If you need any further info, email me at
Paul.Martin@UC.EDU  or the address that follow.

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