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"Paul D." <media@clara.net> wrote in message
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> "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@pop3free.com> wrote:

> >> [Note to Krooger : you can f-off in advance with your PCABX
crap!]

> >...known in the trade as "The Ostrich Defense".

> What 'trade', Mr. Krueger?

The debating trade of course! ;-)

> >I've caught Mr. Dormer playing "Don't confuse me with the facts"
> >many, many times  over the past 3 years.

> You are a documented habitual liar, Mr. Krueger.  Nuff said.

Well Mr. Dormer we let Middius and you play with that little delusion
of yours. BTW how many lies have I caught you telling in the last 30
days? I don't count but I know its been more than one...

> Krooger, I posted some links to test results of the Live! 4830
which
> are *significantly* better than your own.  Note the plots I
referenced
> yesterday were made using SB's current native drivers, not the
hacked
> APSLive ones.

OK you got a card that performs a little better in analog (4 dB)
than the one I got. Good for you! Now prove that the card I've got is
really that good but I've been fudging the results. Of course you
can't. Furthermore you've only tested on card. I've tested several
permutations of the Live!, and several samples of several of them.

 > So why don't you do something pro-active with your life and admit
in
> the relevant locations on your website that your results with the
> Live! are flawed and/or antiquated, rather than allowing users of
your
> website to be perpetually misinformed?

I'm not going to get that excited over 4 dB.

As far as your claim to have measured 97 dB SNR in a 16 bit
environment, that appears to be better than that which is
theoretically possible. Digital I/O can help, but not quite that
much!

>Why don't you finally correct
> the widespread rumour that you started, that the digital output of
the
> Live! is worse than the analog output.. which it MOST CERTAINLY IS
> NOT!

Mr. Dormer, please come back when you have results that are
believable and relevant to the tests you are comparing them to.

The cards I tested did what I say they did, pure and simple. Others
have confirmed my results. I've confirmed my own results with other
samples of the same model card.

Mr. Dormer, if you've got a new hotshot card that's got analog I/O
that's 4 dB better, that's not totally unbelievable. Good for you! I
guess its the luck of the draw. But measuring 97 dB in a 16 bit
environment takes some doing... especially if your test signal is
properly dithered. Theoretical max is 96 dB unweighted, isn't it?