🚀 go-pugleaf

well, since Roj decided to make some rather opiniated judjements about the
Live(so it appears anyway) i would like to say i am using a sbLive Value in
an Athlon 550 with an AK72 motherboard, which i belive uses a via chipset(i
can't remeber) and i have never had anyproblems with it, the drivers have
always installed correctly and i have never had any lock ups...
it sort of makes me wonder whether anyone really knows how to set up and
configure a computer these days....
the only problem that i have with it is that when recording at 44.1Khz that
the clock drifts as it clocks down the 48Khz master clock, but who would
want to record at 44.1 anyway when you've got the better sample rate of
48Khz??
and as Paul D wrote, the midi side of the Live is the best, i mean it uses a
chip from one of the most respected sampler makers around.. how can you
argue with that?

bleh,,, thats my opinion anyway...


Alwyn N-L

Paul D. <media@clara.net> wrote in message
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> [Note to Krooger : you can f-off in advance with your PCABX crap!]
>
> Roj <rojramsey@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >And above all, I'm still going to say that the sound of the **entire**
> >CL line is decidedly substandard to that of the Turtle Beach and
> >Hercules offerings (not hard - the Live! is essentially a technical
> >piece of junk with the exception of the MIDI portion of it).
>
> Piece of junk?  Roj.. this does not seem to equate to a balanced
> opinion :-)
>
> Here's something to consider, volume of complaints DO relate to volume
> of sales.. and the Live is possibly the best selling soundcard of all
> time.
>
> >Pointe finale: if you value decent sound for anything outside of MIDI,
> >be it analog or digital, DO NOT BUY A LIVE!
>
> Not strictly bad advice, my conclusion pretty much concurs with yours.
> The Live excels in one respect, it is an excellent value MIDI
> interface/sampler (**also note : low latency ASIO/cubase compatible
> card with APS drivers**).  In most other respects there are better
> alternatives for slightly more outlay.
>
> However, the Live is not as crippled as you make out.  Considering
> it's low cost it has an extremely impressive spec on the outputs (at
> least in the case of my sample), even beating the Santa Cruz in
> several important areas (analog and digital - cf pcavtech data).
>
> For example :
>
> 87dB signal to noise ratio, analog output @ 44Khz
> http://home.clara.net/media/sblive/1KHZ-DA.gif
> 97dB signal to noise ratio, digital output @ 48Khz
> http://home.clara.net/media/sblive/1KHZ-DO.gif
>
> Distortion and background noise are very low, and the dynamic range is
> excellent see:
>
> 93dB dynamic range, analog output @ 44Khz
> http://home.clara.net/media/sblive/DYN-DA.gif
>
>
> There seems to me to be two real issues with the Live! audio output
>
> 1) The current driver employs an audible roll off (I've had response
> from "Trevor" who gets a flat response.  Depends on driver revision?).
> This is not unintentional.. it's very smooth and very deliberate.
> Some people may have a preference for this response, and/or it may
> suit certain monitoring equipment better.  It can also to a large
> extent be corrected by using the freely available hacked APSLive
> drivers.  Perhaps someday even Creative will see fit to making the
> roll-off optional - petition anybody? :-)
>
> 2) Artifacts with signals >=18Khz.  This seems to be an unavoidable
> codec issue as it occurs in all modes of output.  Let me show you what
> I'm talking about, here's a digital sweep tone being transferred
> (loopback) from the Echo Gina's SPDIF output to it's input.
>
> http://home.clara.net/media/sblive/GINA-DD-SWEEP-SG.gif
>
> Cool huh?  Should be.. it's bit perfect.  Now check the same signal
> coming from the Live! SPDIF out to the Gina.
>
> http://home.clara.net/media/sblive/SB-GINA-DD-SWEEP-SG.gif
>
> Before you cream yourself Roj, notice the volume and frequency of
> those artifacts.  Are they likely to be audible?  To a consumer using
> PC speakers?  Also notice how clean the signal is below 18Khz?
>
> >It doesn't and never will cut it.
>
> The general consensus seems to be "must try harder" particularly with
> respect to drivers and compatibility.  Yet for many people the card
> will work to their benefit, without hitch, and provide many hours of
> entertainment and pleasure with great sound and features at low cost.
> End of the world stuff.. huh?
>
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