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In article <1992Nov3.164235.11670@netcom.com> leonardr@netcom.com (Leonard Rosenthol) writes:
>In article <1992Nov2.185259.13181@panix.com> imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar) writes:
>>I was stupid enough to order Stuffit 3.0 (instead of just upgradiing my
>>existing v2.0) and it came with SpaceSaver.   Just the worst nightmare
>>I have had.
>>
>	I am sorry you feel that way, and Aladdin will certainly be glad
>to refund your $$ should you wish to return it.  However, please remember
>that StuffIt Deluxe 3.0 is more than just SpaceSaver, there is a LOT
>more to the package.

1- I have a friend who plans to buy Stuffit 3 so he will take it from me
though I have told him/showed him what SpaceSaver does on my Mac.

2- "Thre is alot more to the package" is a fact I acknowledge in my posting

>
>>I do not know how to get rid of it as when I removed it from the damned
>>system I could not access the files it had compressed.  
>>
>	As discussed in the manual, or explained by our tech support staff
>(had you called them with your problems), you can simply select your

I DID CALL and found aft er holding that they were busy or away - so I left
my name and number - no on e has called me yet.  For your information and
internal corporate action :-)

>hard disk and choose "Expand" from the Magic Menu.  _OR_ you could use 
>StuffIt Deluxe, or UnStuff to expand compressed files.

Guess what Styuffit said - this is not a Stuffit file do you want me to 
conitnue?  Yes No option come up.  Yes shows an empty archive.

Another crazy thing happened.  My Wordperfect alias is in my Apple Menu
items folder and when I ran WP from there it generally always ran WP
as it un-SS-ed the relevant files - until last time it started launching
STUFFIT 3.0 instead of Wp and that came up with the "Not a Stuffit File"
message too - the icon visible in the Apple Menu items menu showed a 
STUFFIT icon!!!  I restarted and then it ran OK.  FYI and internal testing
action.

>>It causes repeated crashes on a machine that never 
>>creashed before.  
>>


>	What kinds of crashes??  Could you be a bit more specific as we
>are not aware of any specific crashes other than a few known INIT conflicts,
>most of which are resolvable with newer versions of some other software.

I gave examples below.  Microphone, WP, Day Maker, are among the several
programs that crashed with Bad F line instructions REPEATEDLY in the last five
to seven days whereas it is nothing I had seen happen before.  FYI

>>It DELAYS ALL program operations as even the smallest
>>resouirce that the running program needs is compressed and has to be
>>expandd.  
>>
>	If the program is already expanded, then it will NOT expand it again.
>If the program is opening another file to retrieve information, then it will
>expand the subsidiery file.

Id id not say it reexpands something already expanded - just that it
significantly delays launching a program

>>On top of that the big/small naming idea is STUPID.  What am
>>I supposed to do, rename all 1500 files I have onmy disk.  So do I run
>>BIG Wordperfect and BIG Microphone II etc etc?
>>
>	If you are using System 7, then you can also use Finder Labels to 
>tag files and folders.  If you don't wish to tag individual files OR FOLDERS,
>you cdan always use "Idle-Time Compression" to simply let it compress older
>files, or use Magic Menu to compress the items you wish without ANY changes.

So how is that easier - do I go around tagging 1500 files?  Idle Time
compression are strange too - sometimes it just does not stop despite repeated
clicks - eg when you are logged into Microphone/internet, idle for x minutes,
screen saver comes on, and SS goes to work too - now you can click and drag
and it may be 30 seconds before it gives you the screen back again.


>>The program does not keep track of what files are being used or not
>>That would be a better approach to stuffing stuff, nt just file creation
>>date, as all daily use applications I have eg WP, 123, Photosdhop. etc
>>obviously have dates older than the date/"before" period qualifier in
>>SS.
>>
>	Actually it uses the MODIFICATION DATE of the product.  Yes, it would
>be nice to use the "access" date for a file, but since the Macintosh OS does
>not track that info (only creation & modification dates) and since creating
>such a file would take up (possible large amounts of) disk space - what the
>product is trying to save - that isn't possible right now.  FYI: None of the 
>other compression products track by access, they all track by mod dates.

I am not saying others do - just that it would be nice, I dont buy that the
creation of a small database file (even for 1500 files) that had last access
date would be taking large amounts of disk space.

I do wonder if a program called Disk Express II uses something like that
because I remmber that it is supposed to optimize the disk according to
frequently used files and less used files.  [Anyone know about it?]

>>In addition, the program is SO STUPID it cannot even recognize what files
>>it has already compressed.  
>>
>	It most certainly can...In fact it goes through MULTIPLE tests (when
>it needs to) to determine if a given file has already been compressed.

It MOST certainly cannot - I have SEVERAL huge files that I saw it re-re-re-
trying to compress even though they were already compressed by it.  The reason
I saw them was because the display showed it happening all, repeat ALL the
tiome.  I am sure it goes on doing its thing even with small files

>>It causes Microphone to crash, Wordperfect to crash, and Compuserve Info
>>anager to crash - those are what I use daily - so I am not even sure what
>>else it causes problems with.
>>
>	Again, we are not aware of ANY application incompatibilities, especially
>MicroPhone (I am using it right now to type this message - and I also helped
>author both MPII & SpaceSaver!).  If you would like to contact our support
>department at (408) 761-6200 - ask for me directly if you wish - we'll be
>glad to help you sort out your pproblems.

I am not saying it causes program s not to boot, or crash immediately after
booting, they just crash with some reason or other at ODD times - I had 
already expanded everything and afterwards of remoiving the SS and S3.0
files I have NOT had any problems - just something to be aware of.

>
>>I hate having SS come up after a crash asking you t remove the
>>files it created in a
>>stupid Temporary Items folder - for me the only temporary item is this
>>program itself - 
>>
>	That is a known bug in 1.0.1 of the product which is corrected in 1.0.2

Good - that is the whole issue of any consumer posting, to bring thigs to
your attention, and to hear of improvements from you.

>>pity though that Stuffit 3 has soime very useful file
>>transaltions built in - I will opt for the straight upgrade to 3.0
>>
>	You will still get StuffIt SpaceSaver as part of your upgrade.  If you
>don't like the product, remove it - no one if forcing you to use it.  However,
>I think that with a simple call to tech support, you will be MUCH happier!

Glad you told me that - I just thought the buying new was a good idea as
often a whole new package offer more than just an upgrade (a better manual
usually from many vendors).  I have sold the package to a friend (for a $4
loss only - so it is no big deal :-) ) because shipping it back to MacWarehouse
would have cost me the same :-)  

As far as Tech Support goes, I am sure you have good support - pity it was
not available and did not get back to to me when I asked for it.

>Leonard Rosenthol			Internet: 	leonardr@netcom.com


Imran Anwar