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From: delaney@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (John Delaney)
Subject: Silverlining vs. ?
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Two weeks ago, I posted a query about Silverling and its new
competitors. What follows is my original posting and all the responses
either direct or posted to this group.

John

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From: delaney@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (John Delaney)
Subject: Silverlining vs. ?
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Once upon a time, Silcerlining was the gold (silver?) standard for HD
formating tools. But that was bacl when La Cie was an independent
company. Is it still the case now? Is FWB's new software better? Is
somebody elses?

I ask because I am looking at a $50 upgrade fee from 5.27 one of these
days and I don't want to bet that $50 on a horse that can no longer
keep up the pace.

John the cheap
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In article <1992Jul6.132034.1923@xn.ll.mit.edu>, 
	delaney@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (John Delaney) writes:
> Once aupon a time, Silcerlining was the gold (silver?) standard for HD
> formating tools. But that was bacl when La Cie was an independent
> company. Is it still the case now? Is FWB's new software better? Is
> somebody elses?
> 
> I ask because I am looking at a $50 upgrade fee from 5.27 one of these
> days and I don't want to bet that $50 on a horse that can no longer
> keep up the pace.
> 
> John the cheap
I use silverlining too. I have the Hard Disk Tool kit and it looks like a
really great package but I won't use it for my hard disk for one simple reason.
In order to mount a partition you need to launch the main program. Whereas
with silverlining you simply access a DA. This convenience outweighs any
esoteric advantages that HDT may have over silverlining [at least in my case]
My current version of silverlining is 5.31 which is happily working on 
my IIsi, SE/30 and MacPlus, all under system 7.01 and, in the case of the IIsi
with 32bit on.

James
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Subject: Silverlining vs. ?
From: John Delaney, delaney@XN.LL.MIT.EDU
In article <1992Jul6.132034.1923@xn.ll.mit.edu> John Delaney,
delaney@XN.LL.MIT.EDU writes:
>Once aupon a time, Silcerlining was the gold (silver?) standard for HD
>formating tools. But that was bacl when La Cie was an independent
>company. Is it still the case now? Is FWB's new software better? Is
>somebody elses?
>
>I ask because I am looking at a $50 upgrade fee from 5.27 one of these
>days and I don't want to bet that $50 on a horse that can no longer
>keep up the pace.

I have both, and I prefer Hard Disk Toolkit.  Also, FWB has just
started to advertise a "personal" version.  I don't know how it
differs from the full version.

I feel safer with HDT, and figure that I can get decent tech support
from FWB.  LaCie support is miserable, and I won't spend money to 
support them until they clean up their act.

Jon

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From: yahnke@macc.wisc.edu (Ross Yahnke)
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From: yahnke@macc.wisc.edu (Ross Yahnke)
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In article <1992Jul7.122823.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au> ,
lhccjeh@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:
>I use silverlining too. I have the Hard Disk Tool kit and it looks like a
>really great package but I won't use it for my hard disk for one simple
reason.
>In order to mount a partition you need to launch the main program.
Whereas
>with silverlining you simply access a DA. This convenience outweighs any

FWB's v1.1 of Hard Disk Toolkit includes a "HDT Mounter" da which will do 
what you want. 

- Ross
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My experience with LaCie has been awful! Their customer support is the
worst that I have encountered. I would NOT spend another 5 cents on any
of their products!

Just one person's opinion...

-- 

 Marty Weinhous, Ph.D.			weinhous@radonc.hahnemann.edu
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In article <1992Jul7.122823.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au>  
lhccjeh@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:
> I use silverlining too. I have the Hard Disk Tool kit and it looks like  
a
> really great package but I won't use it for my hard disk for one simple  
reason.
> In order to mount a partition you need to launch the main program.  
Whereas
> with silverlining you simply access a DA. This convenience outweighs any
> esoteric advantages that HDT may have over silverlining [at least in my  
case]

So, when are you planning to upgrade to System 7? There is no difference  
anymore between applications and DAs, at least as far as ease of use is  
concerned.

I am using HDT lite, with the application installed in the Apple menu, but  
I don't need it very often because all my partitions and cartridges are  
automounting.

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>I have both, and I prefer Hard Disk Toolkit.  Also, FWB has just
>started to advertise a "personal" version.  I don't know how it
>differs from the full version.

I think that they came out with the cheaper version because of
competition from Drive7 from Casa Blanca Works.  I use Drive7 and I've
been quite happy with it.  You can't go wrong with either FWB or Drive7.


	-- Parag Patel <parag@Netcom.COM>

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In article <1992Jul7.122823.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au> lhccjeh@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:

>In order to mount a partition you need to launch the main program. Whereas
>with silverlining you simply access a DA. This convenience outweighs any
>esoteric advantages that HDT may have over silverlining [at least in my case]

Why wouldn't the MountEm FKEY, or SCISProbe, SCSIInfo, or other
similar tools mount partitions faster and more conveniently regardless
of whether HDT or SilverLining is used? I happen to have SilverLining
myself, but I haven't used the SilverVolumes DA in ages.

Edgar





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knapp@cs.utexas.edu (Edgar Knapp) writes:
>In article <1992Jul7.122823.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au> lhccjeh@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:

>>In order to mount a partition you need to launch the main program. Whereas
>>with silverlining you simply access a DA. This convenience outweighs any
>>esoteric advantages that HDT may have over silverlining [at least in my case]

>Why wouldn't the MountEm FKEY, or SCISProbe, SCSIInfo, or other
>similar tools mount partitions faster and more conveniently regardless
>of whether HDT or SilverLining is used? I happen to have SilverLining
>myself, but I haven't used the SilverVolumes DA in ages.

The reason is that some people (myself included) have partitions which
are used for backup, or for infrequently used applications and data.
Because we use the partitions infrequently, we have them set to _not_
mount automatically when we boot the Mac.  This way, it 1) doesn't
take as long to boot, 2) the partitions are not _as_ likely to be
corrupted if something crashes the system during SCSI operations, 3)
We have a managable number of volumes on the desktop (I have between 4
and 6 normally, not counting floppies or Syquest cartridges), and 4),
it gives us yet another measure of control over the computer.  "No,
you can't look at that disk until _I_ say you can." *grin*

If you have all your partitions (or just a single partition) mount
automatically, you have no need to distinguish this way.

	-=Alan




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In article <1992Jul6.132034.1923@xn.ll.mit.edu> (comp.sys.mac.apps), delaney@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (John Delaney) writes:
>Once aupon a time, Silcerlining was the gold (silver?) standard for HD
>formating tools. But that was bacl when La Cie was an independent
>company. Is it still the case now? Is FWB's new software better? Is
>somebody elses?

I think that Silverlining's day has come and gone.  This may have
something to do with having it trash my disk, or it may have something
to do with the $50 upgrade fees for minor version incriments (bug
fixes, actually), or it may have something to do with them not even 
telling me that they were available.

FWB has (or had, I don't know if it is still on) a side grade from
silverlining for $100.  I have used SilverLining, Drive7, Appolyonics,
and FWB.  Drive7 is nice, if all you want is a simple partition. 
If you want to do anything fancy, such as custom Mac partitions, A/UX,
etc. then forget it.

Appolyonics & FWB are high end packages.  I like FWB a bit better
than the Appolyonics stuff, but both are quite functional (well, I
did run into a minor bug with the Appolyonics password protection and a
Q900, but...).

I ended up buying FWB, cause of the price ($99.00).  From what I have
seen, it was worth it.

+C


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cory@enigami.mv.com (Cory Kempf) writes:

>........  Drive7 is nice, if all you want is a simple partition. 
>If you want to do anything fancy, such as custom Mac partitions, A/UX,
>etc. then forget it.

This may have been true for real old versions of Drive7, but is no
longer true now.  It does custom partitions and A/UX 2.0.1 partitions.
Resizing partitions is as easy as click-and-drag.

(A/UX 3.0 needs Apple's formatter to install it automatically.  You can
create partitions with Drive7, run newfs by hand, then install A/UX, but
it just isn't worth the bother.)


	-- Parag Patel <Parag@Netcom.COM>

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I bought SIlverLining about 3 years ago and I got another copy
recently with 128M optical drive. I refuse to use it because of the
$50 upgrade that you mention. They charge it for real upgrades as well
as for bug fixes. FWB is good and has more reasonable upgrade policy as far as I can tell.
A co-worker bought 1.0 and got 1.1 for free several month later.
			Boris


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>Once aupon a time, Silcerlining was the gold (silver?) standard for HD
>formating tools. But that was bacl when La Cie was an independent
>company. Is it still the case now?

I have read repeated reports of poor service from LaCie, increased
upgrade fees, and the need for repeated upgrades to cope with new
environments and with bugs.

>                                  Is FWB's new software better? Is
>somebody elses?

I use FWB's software and am very happy with it.  It drives some disks
that SilverLining will not (e.g. Rodime RO-5000S).  The upgrade from 1.0
to 1.1 cost $0.00 - owners simply had to mail back their master
diskettes to have them upgraded.

>I ask because I am looking at a $50 upgrade fee from 5.27 one of these
>days and I don't want to bet that $50 on a horse that can no longer
>keep up the pace.

I believe I read that FWB was offering a special price ($99?) to owners
of SilverLining - I suggest you call them and ask them if any such deal
is in effect.

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Nobody has yet stated which of the drivers is faster?

I can't believe that Drive7 would be as fast as SilverLining or Hard Disk
Toolkit, simply based on price (if you can prove it I'll rush out and buy
it tomorrow!).

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In article <1992Jul09.171328.12376@DIALix.oz.au>, 
	dent@DIALix.oz.au (Andrew Dent) writes:
> Nobody has yet stated which of the drivers is faster?
> 
> I can't believe that Drive7 would be as fast as SilverLining or Hard Disk
> Toolkit, simply based on price (if you can prove it I'll rush out and buy
> it tomorrow!).
> 
Can't speak for Drive 7 but HDT seems faster than Silverlining, at least
on the LCII 4MB HD40 I installed it on.

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In article <WEINBERG.92Jul9011457@eniac.seas.upenn.edu>, 
	weinberg@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Geoff Weinberg) writes:
> The one reason I use Silverlining is that it allows one to resize
> partitions without having to initialize.  Do competing products allow
> you to do this?  Granted, I don't do much resizing now that things are
> where I want them, but when I first set my drive up, I had no idea how
> much room I would need and where.
> 
> If the other programs do not allow this resizing without initializing,
> why not?  Does Silverlining use a software partition?

Both Silverlining and HDT use HARD Partions. [Nortons (SUM) uses Soft]

Both allow the partitions to be resized without initialization, assuming
of course you have enough free space.

James
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Well, I went right to the source.  I forwarded the various questions
about Drive7 to Kit Fitzpatrick who is one of its authors.  He asked me
to post his replys as he does not have access to USENET.  His current
contracting job has provided him with a temporary email address at
<fitzpatrick#m#_kit@engmsmail.apple.com> should you wish to ask any more
questions about Drive7.  I'll try to foward any other postings to him.

Kit has two replys here - one about the speed of Drive7, and the other
about resizing partitions without re-initializing them.  Much applies to
other formatters as well.

(A personal disclaimer:  While Kit is a friend of mine, I am a user of
Drive7 and have been a beta-tester for it.  If I didn't like it or if it
didn't work, I wouldn't have even mentioned it.  I am not affiliated
with Casa Blanca or Drive7 in any other way, other than as a very
satisfied user.)


	-- Parag Patel <parag@Netcom.COM>

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Subject: Speed of Drive7 and other formatters

As one of the authors of Drive7 I can assure you that the difference in the
speed of the drivers is negligible.  Most of the time spent reading and writing
files is spent in HFS itself.  The next big chunk of time is spent waiting for
the access time of the drive - seek time plus rotational latency and then
transfer rate.  After that you get to the time spent in the SCSI manager and
only then do you get to the driver.  I can't quote exact speed difference, but
I have been told our drivers are faster than Silver Lining and FWB.  The person
doing the testing may or may not have chosen the best settings for each of the
products tested - so beware: your milage may vary.
The reason our software is less expensive is simply we are the new kids on the
block.  Both Silver Lining and FWB are fine products with a good reputation and
an installed base.  We can't blow them away with feature set or speed, we can
only match them.  We attacked the two things that we could.  One is price and
the other is ease of use.  I have been frustrated more than once by the user
interface of Silver Lining and the complexity of FWB.  I hope this is enough to
get you to consider using our product.

Kit Fitzpatrick

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SUbject: Resizing partitions without initializing

| Original Message:
|If the other programs do not allow this resizing without initializing,
|why not?  Does Silverlining use a software partition?

To my knowlege Silver Lining is the only formatter that can resize partitions
without reformatting.  To accomplish this piece of magic, they need to
manipulate the file system on the disk.  This is fairly equivelent to the kind
of work a disk defragmentation tool.  It carries the same risks of corruption
in cases of power failure - but you always back up first anyway, right?  Inside
Macintosh expressly forbids resizing partitions on the hard disk (other than
free partitions), but given you can manipulate the file system properly they
are being too conservative.

I am not exactly sure how extensivly Silver Lining manipulates the file system,
so I will pass along one reason to be cautious.  The HFS file system attempts
to tune some of it's file allocation parameters based on the size of the
volume.  If you initialize the file system with one set of parameters and then
*radically* change it's size, you may not be happy with the results.  I don't
think any real damage can occur, but I haven't stressed HFS enough to trust it.

Disclaimer and plug.  I am one of the authors of Drive7 and therefore have a
bias for my product.  I do think Silver Lining is a good product and a worthy
competitor, especially that one feature that we don't have.  I have seriously
considered adding it to Drive7, but I wonder if it would be worth the
investment.  I would like to know how much you value the feature in terms of
retail price.  Is it worth another $75?  Maybe $25?  Maybe you don't want to
pay for it because Silver Lining already has it?  Should we produce a product
with more tools and complexity and price it higher?  I would appreciate any
feedback from the net.

Kit Fitzpatrick
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