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On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:33:52 -0600, Justin wrote (in article 
<geo8q0$deu$1@registered.motzarella.org>): 

> Is there a PDF viewer for OSX that will let me save a PDF after I filled 
> out the information?  For example I downloaded Schedule M-1 from the IRS 
> once I type in all the numbers I can only print it out. The same thing 
> happens on my XP machine, but that's not important now... as that laptop 
> is going to be Linux soon. There has to be something better than the piece 
> of shit Adobe puts out. 


The print dialog for OS X allows one to select "printing" to a .pdf instead 
of to a printer. Does this not do what you would like?



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TaliesinSoft wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:33:52 -0600, Justin wrote (in article 
> <geo8q0$deu$1@registered.motzarella.org>): 
> 
>> Is there a PDF viewer for OSX that will let me save a PDF after I filled 
>> out the information?  For example I downloaded Schedule M-1 from the IRS 
>> once I type in all the numbers I can only print it out. The same thing 
>> happens on my XP machine, but that's not important now... as that laptop 
>> is going to be Linux soon. There has to be something better than the piece 
>> of shit Adobe puts out. 
> 
> 
> The print dialog for OS X allows one to select "printing" to a .pdf instead 
> of to a printer. Does this not do what you would like?
> 
> 
> 


Nope.
It doesn't let me.

In article <geo8q0$deu$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
 Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:

> Is there a PDF viewer for OSX that will let me save a PDF after I filled 
> out the information?  For example I downloaded Schedule M-1 from the IRS 
> once I type in all the numbers I can only print it out.
> The same thing happens on my XP machine, but that's not important now... 
>   as that laptop is going to be Linux soon.
> There has to be something better than the piece of shit Adobe puts out.
> 
> J

And is there a reason that you are not happy to print the thing out and 
use that as an author's copy?  Our Government uses this for Passport 
applications amongst other things, and I would think that the printed 
copy would hold a lot of water in case of a dispute?

It is a good question and I am glad it was asked.

H.

In article <geo8q0$deu$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Justin
<justin@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:

> Is there a PDF viewer for OSX that will let me save a PDF after I filled 
> out the information?  For example I downloaded Schedule M-1 from the IRS 
> once I type in all the numbers I can only print it out.

Preview can Print to PDF.

"Jeffrey Jones" <jajvj@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:031120082207417794%jajvj@aol.com...
> In article <geo8q0$deu$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Justin
> <justin@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there a PDF viewer for OSX that will let me save a PDF after I filled
>> out the information?

Well now, if there was a piece of software that allowed you to make changes 
to a pdf document and then allowed you to save those changes then it would 
be an "editor" wouldn't it, not a "viewer". So now stop, think, and perhaps, 
if necessary, ask your question again.

>> For example I downloaded Schedule M-1 from the IRS
>> once I type in all the numbers I can only print it out.
>
> Preview can Print to PDF. 

Rowbotth wrote:
> In article <geo8q0$deu$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
>  Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:
> 
>> Is there a PDF viewer for OSX that will let me save a PDF after I filled 
>> out the information?  For example I downloaded Schedule M-1 from the IRS 
>> once I type in all the numbers I can only print it out.
>> The same thing happens on my XP machine, but that's not important now... 
>>   as that laptop is going to be Linux soon.
>> There has to be something better than the piece of shit Adobe puts out.
>>
>> J
> 
> And is there a reason that you are not happy to print the thing out and 
> use that as an author's copy?  Our Government uses this for Passport 
> applications amongst other things, and I would think that the printed 
> copy would hold a lot of water in case of a dispute?
> 
> It is a good question and I am glad it was asked.
> 
> H.


OK, let's go over this again.
I downloaded Schedule M1 from the IRS.  It is for a homework assignment. 
  I would like to type in the numbers, and email it to my prof.  He says 
it can be done.
I tried using Preview but it won't save my numbers.
I tried saving using Adobe's reader with the same result.  I tried using 
the PDF function and it barked at me saying I had to use FILE then SAVE 
which once again blows away my numbers.

Jeffrey Jones wrote:
> Preview can Print to PDF.

Not when the source is a PDF document that intentionally
has form completion enabled but saving disabled.

I don't know why IRS does that.  REALLY irritating.
I like to fill in what I can and come back to it when
another document arrives.

I haven't tried it, but I wonder whether ghostscript
would allow bypassing the restrictions.

-- 
Wes Groleau

He that complies against his will is of the same opinion still.
                   -- Samuel Butler, 1612-1680

On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:33:52 -0500, Justin wrote
(in article <geo8q0$deu$1@registered.motzarella.org>):

> Is there a PDF viewer for OSX that will let me save a PDF after I filled 
> out the information?

Preview. Adobe Viewer. Acrobat. Illustrator. Photoshop. Graphic Converter. 
The built-in PDF services in the OS. PDF Key. There are probably others.

>  For example I downloaded Schedule M-1 from the IRS 
> once I type in all the numbers I can only print it out.

So when printing it, select 'save as PDF' and now you have a PDF file.

> The same thing happens on my XP machine, but that's not important now... 
>   as that laptop is going to be Linux soon.
> There has to be something better than the piece of shit Adobe puts out.

What's wrong with Adobe Reader or Acrobat?



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On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:42:36 -0500, Justin wrote
(in article <geo9ac$deu$3@registered.motzarella.org>):

> TaliesinSoft wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:33:52 -0600, Justin wrote (in article 
>> <geo8q0$deu$1@registered.motzarella.org>): 
>> 
>>> Is there a PDF viewer for OSX that will let me save a PDF after I filled 
>>> out the information?  For example I downloaded Schedule M-1 from the IRS 
>>> once I type in all the numbers I can only print it out. The same thing 
>>> happens on my XP machine, but that's not important now... as that laptop 
>>> is going to be Linux soon. There has to be something better than the piece 
>>> of shit Adobe puts out. 
>> 
>> 
>> The print dialog for OS X allows one to select "printing" to a .pdf instead 
>> of to a printer. Does this not do what you would like?
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> Nope.
> It doesn't let me.

That's very strange. What app are you printing from?

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On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:27:14 -0500, Wes Groleau wrote
(in article <miPPk.2724$Jv2.1367@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>):

> Jeffrey Jones wrote:
>> Preview can Print to PDF.
> 
> Not when the source is a PDF document that intentionally
> has form completion enabled but saving disabled.

Ah, it's one of those. Select all, copy, paste into a new document. That 
usually works. If not, get a screen shot of the completed document 
(shift-command-4, hit spacebar, click on correct window) and use that.

> 
> I don't know why IRS does that.  REALLY irritating.

They're the IRS. Irritating is what they do best.

> I like to fill in what I can and come back to it when
> another document arrives.
> 
> I haven't tried it, but I wonder whether ghostscript
> would allow bypassing the restrictions.
> 
> 



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In article <geo8q0$deu$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
 Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:

> Is there a PDF viewer for OSX that will let me save a PDF after I filled 
> out the information?  For example I downloaded Schedule M-1 from the IRS 
> once I type in all the numbers I can only print it out.
> The same thing happens on my XP machine, but that's not important now... 
>   as that laptop is going to be Linux soon.
> There has to be something better than the piece of shit Adobe puts out.
> 
> J

There is a backend for CUPS printers which presents itself to Mac OS as 
a (virtual) printer.  I use it for a variety of purposes, including when 
Acrobat won't permit "Save as PDF".

Visit <http://www.codepoetry.net/projects/cups-pdf-for-mosx> for full 
details.

-- 
Tom Stiller

PGP fingerprint =  5108 DDB2 9761 EDE5 E7E3  7BDA 71ED 6496 99C0 C7CF

On 11/3/2008 5:37 PM PT, TaliesinSoft typed:

> On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:33:52 -0600, Justin wrote (in article 
> <geo8q0$deu$1@registered.motzarella.org>): 
> 
>> Is there a PDF viewer for OSX that will let me save a PDF after I filled 
>> out the information?  For example I downloaded Schedule M-1 from the IRS 
>> once I type in all the numbers I can only print it out. The same thing 
>> happens on my XP machine, but that's not important now... as that laptop 
>> is going to be Linux soon. There has to be something better than the piece 
>> of shit Adobe puts out. 
> 
> 
> The print dialog for OS X allows one to select "printing" to a .pdf instead 
> of to a printer. Does this not do what you would like?

Can it be edited and printed to that PDF again? I'd like to know too.
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"Wes Groleau" <groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote in message 
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> Jeffrey Jones wrote:
>> Preview can Print to PDF.
>
> Not when the source is a PDF document that intentionally
> has form completion enabled but saving disabled.
>
> I don't know why IRS does that.  REALLY irritating.
> I like to fill in what I can and come back to it when
> another document arrives.
>
> I haven't tried it, but I wonder whether ghostscript
> would allow bypassing the restrictions.
>
> -- 
> Wes Groleau
>
> He that complies against his will is of the same opinion still.
>

               -- Samuel Butler, 1612-1680



FINALLY the correct answer.  Most advanced editors allow the author to 
determine just what and what cannot be done with a pdf.

In article <geof2e$742$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
 Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:

> OK, let's go over this again.
> I downloaded Schedule M1 from the IRS.  It is for a homework assignment. 
>   I would like to type in the numbers, and email it to my prof.  He says 
> it can be done.
> I tried using Preview but it won't save my numbers.
> I tried saving using Adobe's reader with the same result.  I tried using 
> the PDF function and it barked at me saying I had to use FILE then SAVE 
> which once again blows away my numbers.

If that is all you need to do once in a while, just take a picture of 
the window. Be warned however, that you cannot recover any of the number 
values with a drag, copy, and paste as you woud be able to do inmost 
word processors and spreadsheets. You will have the picture of a number 
but you would have to go through character recognition.

I believe that the easy way is to buy Acrobat. That just is expensive 
for a one shot need.

Bill

-- 
Private Profit; Public Poop! Avoid collateral windfall!

In article <geoh2s5opb@news5.newsguy.com>,
 J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> wrote:

> > I don't know why IRS does that.  REALLY irritating.
> 
> They're the IRS. Irritating is what they do best.

I think that the Government has conspired to keep business opportunities 
open. It would be very easy to electronically file by uploading a income 
tax file to an IRS web site, but that means you would be able to avoid 
having to pay a third party lie Turbotax for that privilege. It would 
also be possible for the IRS to link the forms together so that you do 
not need an third party to fill ougt the forms.

It is this policy as implemented by Congress that has led to our current 
economic crisis. Boost business while ignoring collateral damage. I, for 
one, would be happy to pay a few hundred dollars more to the IRS so that 
I would not have to jump through all the hoops required to prepare an 
income tax return.

Bill

-- 
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In article <miPPk.2724$Jv2.1367@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
 Wes Groleau <groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote:

> Jeffrey Jones wrote:
> > Preview can Print to PDF.
> 
> Not when the source is a PDF document that intentionally
> has form completion enabled but saving disabled.
> 
> I don't know why IRS does that.  REALLY irritating.
> I like to fill in what I can and come back to it when
> another document arrives.
> 
> I haven't tried it, but I wonder whether ghostscript
> would allow bypassing the restrictions.

I know this one only too well. I got burned on it with several
forms last year before I went back and looked at them and found
no data.

What I ended up doing was using Acrobat to fill in the form and
print it. Then date and sign in blue ink, scan back in so I have
a complete copy of the original. Extra work, yes. But when the
IRS and/or Post Office loses your stuff, it's a lot easier to
reprint that scanned original than to print, sign and date a
new copy. Which does help if you also send all correspondence
to the IRS Certified/Return Receipt.

But since the OP only wants to fill out and email copy to his
instructor, I would say that printing to PDF from Acrobat should
work for him. (I know, it's not free)

-- 
Edo ergo sum

In comp.sys.mac.apps Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:
> I downloaded Schedule M1 from the IRS.  It is for a homework assignment. 
>   I would like to type in the numbers, and email it to my prof.  He says 
> it can be done.
> I tried using Preview but it won't save my numbers.

A solution that works with Preview may just be over the horizon.  You 
may need to wait a few weeks and then run Software Update.  I can't say 
any more at this time.  In fact I'm walking a thin line by even saying 
this much.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

Wes Groleau <groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote:

> Jeffrey Jones wrote:
> > Preview can Print to PDF.
> 
> Not when the source is a PDF document that intentionally
> has form completion enabled but saving disabled.

Really? I understand that you can't save it (and thus can't get an
editable copy). I've found that really annoying in the past myself when
I had a form half filled in and wanted to come back and do teh rest
later.

But are you sure that preview won't let you do the print to pdf thing? I
thought that was just part of the general print dialog interface and not
directly under preview's control. I'm a suspicious that people are
confusing preview's save with the pdf option in the print dialog.

I could certainly be wrong. I don't have one of those annoying forms
handy to check with. But I also see a possibility that people might be
confusing the two ways of getting a pdf file. I know that the preview
SAVE option won't do the trick here, but I'm not so sure about print to
pdf.

For the OP's purpose, it seems like a print to pdf ought to be
sufficient if it works. I quite agree that, even if it works, it is
awkward for other purposes, as it doesn't leave you with a form that is
still editable.

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J�m ���� <jb@mysockpuppet.net> wrote:

> 
> Well now, if there was a piece of software that allowed you to make changes
> to a pdf document and then allowed you to save those changes then it would
> be an "editor" wouldn't it, not a "viewer". So now stop, think, and perhaps,
> if necessary, ask your question again.

Check out the ways in which Preview can indeed be used as an "editor"
... you may not know them but they are there!
-- 
Adrian

In article <geo8q0$deu$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
 Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:

> Is there a PDF viewer for OSX that will let me save a PDF after I filled 
> out the information?  For example I downloaded Schedule M-1 from the IRS 
> once I type in all the numbers I can only print it out.
> The same thing happens on my XP machine, but that's not important now... 
>   as that laptop is going to be Linux soon.
> There has to be something better than the piece of shit Adobe puts out.
> 
> J

Every pdf file from the irs I've ever used has been save-enabled. For 
2007 taxes I filled out forms 1040, 6781, 8606, 8829, A, B, C, and D. 
Every one of them still has all the data I entered last year.

State tax forms in OR don't allow this for some reason.

J.J. O'Shea wrote:

>>> On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:33:52 -0600, Justin wrote (in article 
>>>> Is there a PDF viewer for OSX that will let me save a PDF after I filled 
>>>> out the information?  For example I downloaded Schedule M-1 from the IRS 
>>>> once I type in all the numbers I can only print it out. The same thing 

> That's very strange. What app are you printing from?

The key is "downloaded Schedule M-1 from the IRS"
All of the IRS forms are "form-enabled PDF" with
saving of changes suppressed.  Preview, Adobe,
and the "save PDF" option comply with that IRS decision.

It's a dumb decision IMHO, but you ever try to talk sense to the IRS?
-- 
Wes Groleau

Children and Drug Violence
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/russell?itemid=703

On 11/4/2008 6:44 PM PT, John Varela typed:

> On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:37:39 -0500, TaliesinSoft wrote
> (in article <0001HW.C5350383000FEAAFB01AD9AF@News.Individual.NET>):
> 
>> The print dialog for OS X allows one to select "printing" to a .pdf instead 
>> of to a printer. Does this not do what you would like?
> 
> I just tested an IRS form in Preview, filling in the NAME blank.
> 
> When I tried to just SAVE AS a PDF, Preview saved the file but my 
> annotations were lost.
> 
> But when I used PRINT to a PDF, the file was saved complete with the 
> annotations.

Can you still edit?
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