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In article <oab=bvC00WB88TN0NP@andrew.cmu.edu> rq02+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Quadrel) writes:
>Have you seen the "About Disinfectant" option under the Apple menu for
>Disinfectant 2.0???  I fell off my chair laughing!  Nice touch, John!

I guess the tune is supposed to be Sousa's "Liberty Bell" as in Monty Python.
But I think it's not quite right.


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In article <oab=bvC00WB88TN0NP@andrew.cmu.edu> rq02+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Quadrel) writes:
>Have you seen the "About Disinfectant" option under the Apple menu for
>Disinfectant 2.0???  I fell off my chair laughing!  Nice touch, John!
>Rich

Yes, very good - especially now with sound fx. Actuallyy, this was also in
version 1.8 (and earlier?) - you just clicked on the disinfectant icon.

Peter

In article <1990Jul12.182744.18753@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu> edgar@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar) writes:
>In article <oab=bvC00WB88TN0NP@andrew.cmu.edu> rq02+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Quadrel) writes:
>>Have you seen the "About Disinfectant" option under the Apple menu for
>>Disinfectant 2.0???  I fell off my chair laughing!  Nice touch, John!
>
>I guess the tune is supposed to be Sousa's "Liberty Bell" as in
>Monty Python. 
>But I think it's not quite right.
>

That's been in there since 1.0!! (Without the music)  For those of
you who haven't gotten 2.0 yet (do so right away) and want to see
what we're talking about, just click on the icon.

Yes the music _is_ supposed to be the Sousa march used by Monty
Python, but as I've never heard any rendition of it other than the
one used by MP, I couldn't comment on it "correctness."
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I just discovered that the Sousa "Liberty Bell" tune does indeed sound 
slightly wrong on a Mac IIfx, and only on a Mac IIfx!  I don't know why 
yet.  We don't have a IIfx here that I can use for testing (yet), so it's 
going to be difficult for me to figure this one out.  I'm not doing 
anything at all strange - just using the new 6.0.2 Sound Manager to 
asynchronously play a sequence of notes and rests in the standard vanilla 
fashion.  It works fine on the SE, II, IIx, IIcx, and IIci.  It only 
screws up on the IIfx.  Strange.

Anybody out there know anything special about the Sound Manager on the 
IIfx?

John Norstad
Academic Computing and Network Services
Northwestern University
jln@acns.nwu.edu

In article <oab=bvC00WB88TN0NP@andrew.cmu.edu> rq02+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Quadrel) writes:
|Have you seen the "About Disinfectant" option under the Apple menu for
|Disinfectant 2.0???  I fell off my chair laughing!  Nice touch, John!
|Rich

I applaud John for his efforts on all of the versions of Disinfectant
(especially 2.0), and About Disinfectant is clever the first time you see
it, but all things considered, I could use the 20K or so of disk space the
graphics and sound take in much better ways.  Just one man's opinion...
-- 
Brian L. Matthews	blm@6sceng.UUCP

In article <452@6sceng.UUCP> blm@6sceng.UUCP (Brian Matthews) writes:
> I could use the 20K or so of disk space the
> graphics and sound take in much better ways.  Just one man's opinion...

I was waiting for some to make this complaint, which I suppose is 
justified.  But 20K (which is about the right number, by the way) is only 
about 7% of the total space occupied by the entire application, which I 
felt wasn't too much out of line.

John Norstad
Academic Computing and Network Services
Northwestern University
jln@acns.nwu.edu

BM> I could use the 20K or so of disk space the graphics and sound take
BM> in much better ways. Just one man's opinion...
 
20K? 20K?

Perhaps about five years ago, 20K could buy you alot. It just ain't worth
it now. Sure, i'm concerned about saving a megabyte here or there... but
20K? Pleeze......


 
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Well, as expected, there was a lot of reaction to my comments that I'd
rather not have the fancy About box in Disinfectant 2.0, and have the
20K of disk space instead.

First, a couple of general comments:

1.  I think all of the versions of Disinfectant have been great, particularly
    2.0.  I use the application and I use the INIT.  John (and all of those
    involved in Disinfectant) have done a great service to the Mac community
    by providing Disinfectant.

2.  On the other hand, no program, no matter how wonderful or how great
    the author is, is immune from constructive criticism.  I simply saw
    an area where I thought Disinfectant could be a little better, and I
    posted my opinion.

Now some specific responses to various articles:

In article <14039@wpi.wpi.edu> macman@wpi.wpi.edu (Chris Silverberg) writes:
|Perhaps about five years ago, 20K could buy you alot. It just ain't worth
|it now. Sure, i'm concerned about saving a megabyte here or there... but
|20K? Pleeze......

I just took a quick look at my hard disk, and I have about 150 applications.
If only a third of those spend 20K on about boxes, that's 1Meg.  20K alone
may not be much, but it adds up quickly.

Also, Disinfectant is in a slightly different class than other applications,
because one of its uses is on a "virus eradicator" floppy.  On floppies,
20K becomes very significant.

And as a general note, it's comments like "but 20K? Pleeze......" that
result in the huge applications we see from Microsoft and others, and the
huge systems we see from Apple.

In article <1990Jul16.032446.15840@swbatl.sbc.com> george@swbatl.sbc.com 
(George D. Nincehelser) writes:
|Yeesh!  I don't like the direction this is going.  John wrote a 
|wonderful and useful program and is giving it away free for the
|benefit off all, yet some folks are bitching about a measly 20K  
|of disk space!

First, I wasn't "bitching", I was offering constructive criticism.  Some
people don't seem to know the difference.  Second, as I stated above,
Disinfectant *is* wonderful and useful and free, but that doesn't make
it immune from criticism.  And third, you may consider 20K of disk space
"measly", others may not.

And finally, from John himself:
|Just because my program is free doesn't mean it's beyond criticism.  The 
|large size of version 2.0 is one of its drawbacks, and the person who 
|complained had a valid point.

Thank you.  John seems to be one of the few people who knows what the
phrase "constructive criticism" means.


In summary, I feel the 20K spent on a function used once could be better
spent elsewhere.  Others feel differently.  But I also feel that
Disinfectant is amazingly useful, and the disadvantage of the extra
20K is far outweighed by the usefulness of the application as a whole,
so I'm certainly not going to toss Disinfectant because of the About
box.  That's my opinion, and in the end, it's up to John to decide.
-- 
Brian L. Matthews	blm@6sceng.UUCP

In article <456@6sceng.UUCP> blm@6sceng.UUCP (Brian Matthews) writes:
>
>First, I wasn't "bitching", I was offering constructive criticism.  Some
>people don't seem to know the difference.  Second, as I stated above,
>Disinfectant *is* wonderful and useful and free, but that doesn't make
>it immune from criticism.  And third, you may consider 20K of disk space
>"measly", others may not.
>

Methinks that if grousing about 20K of disk space is the best
"constructive criticism" that one can offer, then either Disinfectant 2.0
is one hell of a program, or someone is just picking nits.

I hope this doesn't discourage John from including future animated
about boxes.  I think it's sad that some would condemn an author's
personalization of a program just for disk space.  I feel that the
"about box" of a program (at least in freeware) should be an open
forum for the programmer to express him or herself as he or she sees fit.
20K is a small price to pay for this program (in relation to its 
functionality) to recognize the people who brought it to us. 

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In article <1990Jul16.142942.2415@uunet!unhd>  writes:
>
>Has anyone noticed that Disinfectant 2.0 will no longer fit on a floppy 
>with the minimum software for all macs.  In fact, it wont fit with the 
>minimum software for just my Mac II.  (I'm talking about system 6.0.5)  
>Has anyone found an acceptable solution?
>

The "minimal" software installed by the installer is a bit more than
you need.  All that is required is a copy of System and Finder.

What I did was install the "minimal" software on a floppy and then 
deleted everything but System and Finder.  I then copied Disinfectant
to the floppy, locked the floppy, and WAHLAH!  I even had 66K to
spare.  

I suppose another solution would be to make a bootable 1.44 floppy,
but not everyone has one of those.

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Here's an idea!

Could an agreement be made with Apple to distribute Disinfectant    
with minimal system software as a floppy disk DiskCopy image?
This would make the file awfully big, but it would insure that the
user has a *CLEAN* *BOOTABLE* floppy with Disinfectant on it (assuming
the floppy was locked after the copy).

Another point on the downside would be that the user would have to have
DiskCopy and know how to use it, but couldn't a whiz-bang, one file
application be made up that automatically makes a bootable Disinfectant
floppy? 

Would this setup be worth the large file size?  Well, I really don't 
need it, but it might be nice for less-technical Mac users (i.e. those
who would have problems making a minimal bootable system floppy).   
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Actually, if you read the docs, you don't even need the Finder.  Just
use 'Set Startup' to bring up Disinfectant straight away.

It's worth stripping out fonts and DAs from your minimal system file
to make it even smaller.

The system file doesn't have to be in a System Folder - it can just
live at the top level of your minimal boot floppy.

Tim
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In article <9751@accuvax.nwu.edu> jln@acns.nwu.edu (John Norstad) writes:
>In article <452@6sceng.UUCP> blm@6sceng.UUCP (Brian Matthews) writes:
>> I could use the 20K or so of disk space the
>> graphics and sound take in much better ways.  Just one man's opinion...
>
>I was waiting for some to make this complaint, which I suppose is 
>justified.  But 20K (which is about the right number, by the way) is only 
>about 7% of the total space occupied by the entire application, which I 
>felt wasn't too much out of line.

Well, when someone has put in as much time as John has to a completely
FREE program, I think he's aloowed to have a little fun...

Ken


(Thanks John!)

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I looked at this "About" box both on a Mac IIcx and on a Mac Plus.  On
the Plus, the marching viruses are slower, so more of the tune has
a chance to get played.  Not only the first 8 bars twice through,
but the next strain, too.
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  The Ohio State University             Internet:  edgar@mps.ohio-state.edu
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In article <1990Jul17.133154.18425@swbatl.sbc.com> george@swbatl.UUCP (George D. Nincehelser) writes:
>In article <1990Jul16.142942.2415@uunet!unhd>  writes:
>>Has anyone noticed that Disinfectant 2.0 will no longer fit on a floppy 
>>with the minimum software for all macs.  In fact, it wont fit with the 
>>minimum software for just my Mac II.  (I'm talking about system 6.0.5)  
>>Has anyone found an acceptable solution?
>
>The "minimal" software installed by the installer is a bit more than
>you need.  All that is required is a copy of System and Finder.

		Actually I would think all you would need is a System file
		and have DisInfectant set as the startup application. I
		haven't tested this, But I think it would work fine. I've
		done this with other software, though not with 6.0.5.


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In article <2731@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM> ngg@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM (Norman Goodger) writes:
>In article <1990Jul17.133154.18425@swbatl.sbc.com> george@swbatl.UUCP (George D. Nincehelser) writes:
>>In article <1990Jul16.142942.2415@uunet!unhd>  writes:
>>>Has anyone noticed that Disinfectant 2.0 will no longer fit on a floppy 
>>>with the minimum software for all macs.  In fact, it wont fit with the 
>>>minimum software for just my Mac II.  (I'm talking about system 6.0.5)  
>>>Has anyone found an acceptable solution?
>>
>>The "minimal" software installed by the installer is a bit more than
>>you need.  All that is required is a copy of System and Finder.
>
>		Actually I would think all you would need is a System file
>		and have DisInfectant set as the startup application. I
>		haven't tested this, But I think it would work fine. I've
>		done this with other software, though not with 6.0.5.
>
>
I've done exactly this and it works fine.  It also alows me to add a
folder with GateKeeper, GateKeeper Aid and some documentation so that
it is easy to install a comprehensive virus protection scheme on a
users Mac (with directions) without having to have more than on disk.
























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