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Article #318MacApp Castaways & Prograph
From: SZPAK
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:31
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:31
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From: "Mark Szpakowski" <szpak@fox.nstn.ns.ca> To: MACAPP3TECH$@applelink.apple.com There was a recent message on the Internet OODL mailing list, that I believe originated on this list, addressed to "MacApp Castaways". I read this two wa ys: - MacAppers' feeling of abandonment by Apple, and fear of getting shipwrecked on Bedrock; - desire, or *need*, for more dynamic language/environment than C++/MacApp: therefore interest in the good ship OODL. Component Workshop (newborn), Camelot (prenatal), and Dylan (conceived) are n ew, proposed OODL environments. Smalltalk and CLOS are existing OODLs. And there 's Prograph, several years old, which might be called a VOODL - a Visual OODL. Visual not just in the Microsoft sense of visual environment for creating vis ual applications (gag me with a spoon, they've even renamed their C++ to "Visual C++"!), but also as visual *language* in visual environment for GUI apps. The visuality makes Prograph unique, offers some enormous benefits (especially as embedded in Prograph's edit-&-debug-both-interface-and-code-while-running environment), but also presents some problems: - due to past history of visual languages, they are often perceived as Mickey Mouse; - an executable iconic dataflow language is a rad thought to grok for many people (look ma, no local variables!). Often the question is asked, "where's the code behind this?". The answer, of course, is "you're looking at it". From the point of view of the destination side of the paradigm shift, the question is as whimsical as asking a Chinese person where the English is behind the ideograms (except that dataflow is far more familiar, especially to corporate types, th an is Chinese). - there are many tools, by many vendors, available for dealing with textual, ASCII code (editors, parsers, version control tools, etc.), but not for any other type of code. The question to this list is, is this a fair assessment, and how do you see Prograph as a VOODL and as an alternative for MacApp castaways? -- Mark Mark Szpakowski, szpak@fox.nstn.ns.ca TGS Systems, (902) 455-4446, FAX (902) 455-2246 Mark Szpakowski, szpak@fox.nstn.ns.ca TGS Systems, (902) 455-4446, FAX (902) 455-2246
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