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Re: Q: What's your opinion?

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From: Chuck Pliske
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:56
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Re: Q: What's your opinion?

Well, for my two cents worth, the more esoteric among you might want to 
investigate SIMULA, one of the oldest OO langs around (Would you believe 
25 years!) and IMHO, still one of the best.  There are OO concepts in 
SIMULA that are not even hinted at by the current spate of "pop" oo stuff 
such as C++.  The quickest way to learn about SIMULA is to track it down 
with ARCHIE on one of your friendly FTP sites, get the free Mac version 
and mess around.  You will need MPW, but little else.  Also I hear a new 
version is about to be released and if legal, will soon find its way into 
the FTP sites.

Once you discover that the Europeans have forgotten more about OOP than 
we 'Mericans ever knew, you may want to try BETA, the latest thing to 
come out of the folks that originated SIMULA 25 years ago.  BETA is also 
available for the MAC, but alas, not free.  Send to ESS@MJOLNER.DK for 
more information.

WARNING!!! Simula, and to a greater extent BETA, is not for the faint of 
mind.  These languages embody concepts that are difficult to grasp for us 
normal folks.  I programmed in Simula for about 10 years, and, while 
practically from the start I enjoyed an expressiveness unavailable in
today's 
languages, there were many features of Simula I never could quite 
"comprehend".  BETA is nearly opaque to us VonNewmannites.

I have, however, used the Mac version of Beta, and will buy the system 
when it becomes available with the run-time debugger.

Chuck
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