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In article <BB7A2EA3.B5DF%kkb@breathsense.com>,
 Kurt Bigler <kkb@breathsense.com> wrote:

>
>But I see that I was unclear.  I thought it was just well understood by
>everyone that the CW8 OS X debugger is relatively useless. 

as compared to what, using GDB. 

> Viewing global
>variables is not the only problem.  Only half of the local variables show,
>and of course this will usually turn out to exclude the ones you need to
>see, and IIRC (I use it so rarely so I forget whether this was fixed) you
>can not set breakpoints in certain modules.

If you can't see breakpoints or variables it probably is an indication 
that your project is too big.   There is a limit to the number of 
symbolics we could store and that was not big deal due to the 
limitations of TOC.  However with CW 7.2 people started making larger 
and larger applications as they were not forced to write DLL's and such. 
therefore we seen a lot more complaints.  We have increased the limit to 
something like 4 gig from 65k  so this shouldn't be a problem.  

>Everything I described has been acknowledged and discussed on this list and
>elsewhere.  I was not aware that some people *could* use the debugger, e.g.
>Scott Ribe apparently is able to view his local variables and can set
>breakpoints where he needs to set them.

In all fairness a good program design would not have this problem but I 
understand that customers don't always have this luxury.

>So I am waiting for a debugger that works.  

it has always been there, and CW 8.3 is very effective, however it does 
not work in the same manner as previous versions.  Most problems are a 
matter of procedural changes. (Hey they bite me too, and it is 
aggravating) or just the differences to Mach-O and how it works.


>Thanks, but you could help much more by trying to stop development from
>staying in such a feature-motivated mode when there are so many
>show-stopping bugs.

You made my day.   The worry has been that by putting 8 months into 
nothing but quality enhancements and fixing all prioriity one and two 
bugs that our customers would not notice the newer features.  

Bless you !!!!

>I just want to know when the debuger will work.  I would like to upgrade
>then.  I was hoping to hear that I had it all wrong and this had been fixed,
>and then I would happily write my check.  Lacking that I would like to hear
>that all other develpment will be stopped until the debugger is working.

The debugger has added features that allows it to work in a manner you 
seem to be desiring.  It lets you to have mammoth files and number of 
files without losing variables or breakpoints.  It has a way now that 
lets you see global and static variables in the local variables pains  
as it used to do with PowerPC programs for many years.   

Ron

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