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International Customers  I forgot to mention,  please put your country 
in the body of the text.


Simply send an e-mail message to intlsls@metrowerks.com 
with 'Early Access CD' in the Subject title and your Country in the body 
of the text.
Someone will contact you with information on how you can receive the 
Early Access CD.


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In article <mwron-917BD9.23471620052001@enews.newsguy.com>, MWRon
<mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:

> In the United States and Canada you can go to the Metrowerks web site.
> To get your free* Early Access CD, simply fill out the online survey at
> http://survey.metrowerks.com/wwdc/. You'll automatically be entered to 
> win a
> Palm V. This is offered only for US and Canadian customers.

Not until I filled out the survey did I find out it still requires me
to pay that S&H fee. It's not mentioned in MWRon's message nor in the
survey page. Needless to say, I did not order it.

No matter how MW's view is, I really don't think it qualifies as FREE.

I feel I was tricked into doing that survey.

in article 210520011043507088%stephen@ju-ju.com, Stephen Chu at
stephen@ju-ju.com wrote on 5/21/01 7:43 AM:

> Not until I filled out the survey did I find out it still requires me
> to pay that S&H fee. It's not mentioned in MWRon's message nor in the
> survey page. Needless to say, I did not order it.
> 
> No matter how MW's view is, I really don't think it qualifies as FREE.
> 
> I feel I was tricked into doing that survey.

Well, when I visited the site to order my *free* copy, the price was listed
as $9.95 (for shipping) plus an additional $10 for shipping. With tax that
came to $21.35. I don't mind paying for shipping, but does this mean I'll
get it twice as fast? :-)

Brent

I just filled out the survey, and ordered my copy-
And then noticed that the price ended up being 14.95 ...

CodeWarrior Specials: Early Access CD 9.95 1 9.95 
Total Purchases 9.95 
Shipping 5.00 
Tax 0.00 
Total for Metrowerks Store 14.95 

I thought the 9.95 was for shipping already....?

thanks,

-gus

In article <b110c8f9.0105210952.13ccc0ff@posting.google.com>,
 gus@mu.org (August Mueller) wrote:

>I just filled out the survey, and ordered my copy-
>And then noticed that the price ended up being 14.95 ...
>
>CodeWarrior Specials: Early Access CD 9.95 1 9.95 
>Total Purchases 9.95 
>Shipping 5.00 
>Tax 0.00 
>Total for Metrowerks Store 14.95 
>
>I thought the 9.95 was for shipping already....?

Apparently there is a problem with the online ordering, we have noticed 
that t this happens is when a customer has been ordering the cd online.  
We are correcting this on the web orders to $9.95 plus a few cents for 
taxes.

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In article <210520011043507088%stephen@ju-ju.com>,
 Stephen Chu <stephen@ju-ju.com> wrote:

>Not until I filled out the survey did I find out it still requires me
>to pay that S&H fee. It's not mentioned in MWRon's message nor in the
>survey page. Needless to say, I did not order it.
>
>No matter how MW's view is, I really don't think it qualifies as FREE.

Apparently there is a problem with the online ordering, we have noticed 
that t this happens is when a customer has been ordering the cd online.  
We are correcting this on the web orders to $9.95 plus a few cents for 
taxes.

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In article <B72E8392.298E%brentm@spamicide.telus.net>,
 Brent Marykuca <brentm@spamicide.telus.net> wrote:

>Well, when I visited the site to order my *free* copy, the price was listed
>as $9.95 (for shipping) plus an additional $10 for shipping. With tax that
>came to $21.35. I don't mind paying for shipping, but does this mean I'll
>get it twice as fast? :-)

Apparently there is a problem with the online ordering, we have noticed 
that t this happens is when a customer has been ordering the CD online.  
We are correcting this on the web orders to $9.95 plus a few cents for 
taxes.  

Metrowerks apologizes for this inconvenience.

Ron

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In article <mwron-AE8D67.14403321052001@enews.newsguy.com>,
 MWRon <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:

> In article <B72E8392.298E%brentm@spamicide.telus.net>,
>  Brent Marykuca <brentm@spamicide.telus.net> wrote:
> 
> >Well, when I visited the site to order my *free* copy, the price was listed
> >as $9.95 (for shipping) plus an additional $10 for shipping. With tax that
> >came to $21.35. I don't mind paying for shipping, but does this mean I'll
> >get it twice as fast? :-)
> 
> Apparently there is a problem with the online ordering, we have noticed 
> that t this happens is when a customer has been ordering the CD online.  
> We are correcting this on the web orders to $9.95 plus a few cents for 
> taxes.  
> 
> Metrowerks apologizes for this inconvenience.

The problem is obvious: You're counting on Yahoo for your storefront.

Come on, guys... You're a big enough outfit you can afford to do your 
own store site instead of throwing money at Yahoo for it.

A note for future reference:
The fact that Metrowerks is using a Yahoo storefront was, all by itself, 
enough to put me off of actually ordering the Pro6 update I've been 
considering. I want as little to do with that bunch of ad-splattering 
<BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP>s as possible. I'm more than willing to do 
business with Metrowerks, but when it comes to handing Yahoo so much as 
a penny of my money, even indirectly... Well, let's just say I'd rather 
shave my head using a rusty cheese grater, in a rubbing alcohol shower, 
while chewing on tinfoil.

Do you get the idea that I disapprove of Yahoo? Good. That's the point.

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Call me crazy but I get the impression you don't yahoo  :)

For you then,  you can call our 800 number and order.

 1-800-377-5416 US and Canada Only

Ron


>A note for future reference:
>The fact that Metrowerks is using a Yahoo storefront was, all by itself, 
>enough to put me off of actually ordering the Pro6 update I've been 
>considering. I want as little to do with that bunch of ad-splattering 
><BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP>s as possible. I'm more than willing to do 
>business with Metrowerks, but when it comes to handing Yahoo so much as 
>a penny of my money, even indirectly... Well, let's just say I'd rather 
>shave my head using a rusty cheese grater, in a rubbing alcohol shower, 
>while chewing on tinfoil.
>
>Do you get the idea that I disapprove of Yahoo? Good. That's the point.

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In article <mwron-7BD03A.17283321052001@enews.newsguy.com>,
 MWRon <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:

> In article <xgfO6.219$sA6.11139@typhoon.sonic.net>,
>  Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Call me crazy but I get the impression you don't yahoo  :)

What on earth would give you an idea like THAT??? 

<snicker>

Musta been the tinfoil...

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Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:

[...]
> <BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP>s as possible. I'm more than willing to do 
> business with Metrowerks, but when it comes to handing Yahoo so much as
> a penny of my money, even indirectly... Well, let's just say I'd rather
> shave my head using a rusty cheese grater, in a rubbing alcohol shower,
> while chewing on tinfoil.


would you mind to place a webcam in front of your shower when you'll
perform ? ;-)

I'm sure you'll recoup very quickly the cost for the upgrade with a slim
benefit.

In article <mwron-D28CC4.14382121052001@enews.newsguy.com>, MWRon
<mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:

> >CodeWarrior Specials: Early Access CD 9.95 1 9.95 
> >Total Purchases 9.95 
> >Shipping 5.00 
> >Tax 0.00 
> >Total for Metrowerks Store 14.95 
> >
> >I thought the 9.95 was for shipping already....?
> 
> Apparently there is a problem with the online ordering, we have noticed 
> that t this happens is when a customer has been ordering the cd online.  
> We are correcting this on the web orders to $9.95 plus a few cents for 
> taxes.

It's still not right -- and of course by now, the 800 number is closed
for the day...

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In article <220520011611550069%dunham@SPAM_B_GONE.pensee.com>, David 
Dunham <dunham@SPAM_B_GONE.pensee.com> wrote:

>It's still not right -- and of course by now, the 800 number is closed
>for the day...

Go ahead and order online.  I ordered 2 days ago when the web page was 
quoting the $15.50 total price, but when I got the email confirmation, 
the amt charged to my credit card was actually $10.57 = $9.95 + 62 cents 
in tax.  

(I never knew you had to pay tax on shipping and handling, but hey, you 
learn something new everyday.)

 Raised Eyebrow <donotreply@here.com> wrote:
> (I never knew you had to pay tax on shipping and handling, but hey, you 
> learn something new everyday.)

Actually, that comes about in part from companies who send you stuff for 
"free + $3.95 S/H". A lot of those products really only cost about $.40 
to $.50, and fulfillment was only about $.30 with postage being about 
$.50 or so--leaving about $2.60 in profit for the "free" product.

(Those little battery powered "stick-on" lights you see on television 
advertised as a "$60 value for 6 lights" really costs about $.30 per 
light to manufacture and ship in bulk to the United States, so getting 
them for "free" plus $3.95 shipping and handling plus filling out a 
'survey' translates to about a $1.80 profit. This doesn't count the 
$2-$5 marketing firms will pay per completed survey.)

It doesn't sound like a lot of money. But one company I did some work 
for was making *millions*, in part by selling products  (like the lights 
above) for "free." (I'm not saying Metrowerks is making a 
profit--chances are, as they probably don't have the infrastructure to 
handle bulk fulfillment cheap, the $9.95 probably is close to 
representing their real fulfillment costs.)

Because so many people were hiding the cost of goods and a small profit 
in the "shipping and handling", many states started asking for sales tax 
on products which are "free" if you pay "shipping and handling," in 
order to close a potential loophole for avoiding sales tax. Otherwise, a 
company such as Amazon could potentially give away all of it's music CDs 
for free--just include $19.95 S/H per CD...

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i have another question regarding this announcement: is there a way to 
install it without having 6.x installed? i just tried installing the 
copy from the WWDC - it turns out i can't install because i don't have 
CW 6.x.

well, the reason our company stuck with 5.x was that both 4 and 5 (heck, 
even version 3) had lots of problems that were never fixed and we didn't 
feel like repeating this experience (buy buggy product, spend countless 
hours trying to get it to work (or give up in the case of the debugger 
for java - stack traces work fine), then pay for ugrade to next version 
which introduces a few new bugs without fixing the old ones...

anyways... i thought i would check out version 7 for OS X... no luck. 
will try JBuilder then...

goodbye.

   nik

ps: as for all the happy CW customers: they are not developing Java. i 
have no doubts CW is great for native development. but for Java... no.

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In article <nik-1BD9D1.15232029052001@news.pacbell.net>,
 nik heger <nik@spamproof.subdimension.com> wrote:

>i have another question regarding this announcement: is there a way to 
>install it without having 6.x installed? i just tried installing the 
>copy from the WWDC - it turns out i can't install because i don't have 
>CW 6.x.

I am afraid not,  If you had one copy you could probably move this to 
other systems but you need CW 6.x installed.  

>well, the reason our company stuck with 5.x was that both 4 and 5 (heck, 
>even version 3) had lots of problems that were never fixed

CodeWarrior 6 strived to have as many  bugs fixed as possible.  We heard 
this complaint and I believe we did extremely well at this.  

CodeWarrior 7 will keep this tradition with a long and open beta of CW 7 
through the Early Access CD.

>ps: as for all the happy CW customers: they are not developing Java. i 
>have no doubts CW is great for native development. but for Java... no.

Developing Java should not be any large problem for Macintosh 
developers.  It is no more quirky with CodeWarrior than any other tool.

Ron

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In article <mwron-8D5119.10385621052001@enews.newsguy.com>, MWRon 
<mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:

 > International Customers  I forgot to mention,  please put your country 
 > in the body of the text.

The whole country? Isn't that gonna be a rather tight fit?

Will it build a Mach-O, Objective-C, Cocoa app? 

-jcr

In article <3B1DDBD3.182D2811@idiom.com>,
 "John C. Randolph" <jcrNOSPAM@idiom.com> wrote:

>Will it build a Mach-O, 

Yes,

>Objective-C, 

We've had Objective C for years

> Cocoa app? 

Define Cocoa,  seriously this is so misunderstood,  but if used in the 
most conventional manner yes.

Now if you are asking are we a project builder clone, NO

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In article <mwron-DAA28D.11555506062001@enews.newsguy.com>,
 MWRon <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:

> 
> We've had Objective C for years

Can I get the headers for OS 9 development? I want to try that.

MWRon wrote:
> 
> In article <3B1DDBD3.182D2811@idiom.com>,
>  "John C. Randolph" <jcrNOSPAM@idiom.com> wrote:
> 
> >Will it build a Mach-O,
> 
> Yes,
> 
> >Objective-C,
> 
> We've had Objective C for years
> 
> > Cocoa app?
> 
> Define Cocoa,  seriously this is so misunderstood,  but if used in the
> most conventional manner yes.

A Cocoa app is one that is linked against and uses the Cocoa framework.

> Now if you are asking are we a project builder clone, NO

I didn't ask if you were making a project builder clone.  I asked if I
could build a Cocoa app using CW.

Let me be very specific:  Can I use CW to build, run and debug the
Objective-C version of the TextEdit.app example from
/Developer/Examples/AppKit?   If so, the answer to my question is yes. 

-jcr

Fabrice Truillot wrote:
> 
> MWRon <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:
> 
> > >Objective-C,
> >
> > We've had Objective C for years
> 
> Without the appropriate (and needed) runtime. :)
> 
> > > Cocoa app?
> >
> > Define Cocoa,  seriously this is so misunderstood,  but if used in the
> > most conventional manner yes.
> 
> As soon you don't #import <Cocoa/Cocoa.h>... :)

Fabrice, are you saying that CW can't cope with importing the Cocoa.h
header, or that it can't cope with linking against the Cocoa framework?

-jcr

In article <3B2118A6.3D38389E@idiom.com>,
 "John C. Randolph" <jcr@idiom.com> wrote:

>> Define Cocoa,  seriously this is so misunderstood,  but if used in the
>> most conventional manner yes.
>
>A Cocoa app is one that is linked against and uses the Cocoa framework.

That is a good answer.

>> Now if you are asking are we a project builder clone, NO
>
>I didn't ask if you were making a project builder clone.  I asked if I
>could build a Cocoa app using CW.

Yes it can.

>Let me be very specific:  Can I use CW to build, run and debug the
>Objective-C version of the TextEdit.app example from
>/Developer/Examples/AppKit?  

I don't know if it can that exact one,  I don't have the objective C 
knowledge to convert it,  But we do have a simple cocoa stationery 
project that does use the cocoa Framework and ithe code is in Objective C

> If so, the answer to my question is yes. 

I am not trying to be evasive but I didn't want to mislead.  I hope you 
understand.

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MWRon wrote:
> 
> In article <3B2118A6.3D38389E@idiom.com>,
>  "John C. Randolph" <jcr@idiom.com> wrote:
Yes it can.
> 
> >Let me be very specific:  Can I use CW to build, run and debug the
> >Objective-C version of the TextEdit.app example from
> >/Developer/Examples/AppKit?
> 
> I don't know if it can that exact one,  I don't have the objective C
> knowledge to convert it,  But we do have a simple cocoa stationery
> project that does use the cocoa Framework and ithe code is in Objective C

When CW can build the examples in /System/Developer/Examples/Appkit/,
then it will be useful to Cocoa developers.  Let us know when this is
the case.

-jcr

In article <3B222988.714E2FEB@idiom.com>,
 "John C. Randolph" <jcrNOSPAM@idiom.com> wrote:

>When CW can build the examples in /System/Developer/Examples/Appkit/,
>then it will be useful to Cocoa developers.  Let us know when this is
>the case.

Maybe _you_ should try and let us know if it's the case, since _you_ are 
the one with Obj-C/Cocoa experience, not Ron. And if it doesn't, file 
some bug reports.

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In article <3B222988.714E2FEB@idiom.com>,
 "John C. Randolph" <jcrNOSPAM@idiom.com> wrote:

>> I don't know if it can that exact one,  I don't have the objective C
>> knowledge to convert it,  But we do have a simple cocoa stationery
>> project that does use the cocoa Framework and ithe code is in Objective C
>
>When CW can build the examples in /System/Developer/Examples/Appkit/,
>then it will be useful to Cocoa developers.  Let us know when this is
>the case.

I don't know that it can't do that now.   I guess I'll assume it can 
until shown differently and you can assume what you want to.  Metrowerks 
has consistently met your every increasing criteria regarding 
Objective-C.

I say again, we are not a PowerBuilder clone and will not attempt to be 
one.  No matter how much you like Objective-C for the near future the 
majority of OS X applications are going to be wrote in C/C++.

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meeroh wrote:
> 
> In article <3B222988.714E2FEB@idiom.com>,
>  "John C. Randolph" <jcrNOSPAM@idiom.com> wrote:
> 
> >When CW can build the examples in /System/Developer/Examples/Appkit/,
> >then it will be useful to Cocoa developers.  Let us know when this is
> >the case.
> 
> Maybe _you_ should try and let us know if it's the case, since _you_ are
> the one with Obj-C/Cocoa experience, not Ron. And if it doesn't, file
> some bug reports.

I'm not the vendor, dude.

-jcr

MWRon wrote:
> 
> In article <3B222988.714E2FEB@idiom.com>,
>  "John C. Randolph" <jcrNOSPAM@idiom.com> wrote:
> 
> >> I don't know if it can that exact one,  I don't have the objective C
> >> knowledge to convert it,  But we do have a simple cocoa stationery
> >> project that does use the cocoa Framework and ithe code is in Objective C
> >
> >When CW can build the examples in /System/Developer/Examples/Appkit/,
> >then it will be useful to Cocoa developers.  Let us know when this is
> >the case.
> 
> I don't know that it can't do that now.   I guess I'll assume it can
> until shown differently and you can assume what you want to.  Metrowerks
> has consistently met your every increasing criteria regarding
> Objective-C.
> 
> I say again, we are not a PowerBuilder clone and will not attempt to be
> one.  No matter how much you like Objective-C for the near future the
> majority of OS X applications are going to be wrote in C/C++.

Nobody's asked you whether CW is a ProjectBuilder clone, or asked you to
make it one.  What I've asked is whether CW can build a Cocoa app, and
you've been quite equivocal on that point.  How hard is it for you to
attempt to build an example which is already known to build correctly
under GCC?

-jcr

Thanks, Bruno.  That's what I needed to know.

BTW, it looks like one or more of the math libraries isn't getting linked.

-jcr


Bruno Blondeau wrote:
> 
> John C. Randolph <jcrNOSPAM@idiom.com> wrote:
> 
> > Let me be very specific:  Can I use CW to build, run and debug the
> > Objective-C version of the TextEdit.app example from
> > /Developer/Examples/AppKit?   If so, the answer to my question is yes.
> 
> I tried to simply move the TextEdit.app source files inside the
> HelloWorld stationary.
> 
> It fully compiles.
> 
> There is however one link error :
> 
>         Link Error   : ___cvt_fp2unsigned is undefined
> 
> I tried to do the same thing for Sketch.app. There was three link
> errors, one of which seemed obvious since there was an extern
> declaration without a non extern one according to a file search (maybe I
> forgot a file, I did this very quickly), and two other link errors which
> looked like the one above for TextEdit.app.
> 
> Any explanation from Metrowerks would be welcome. But given the current
> state of EA7, I wouldn't be surprised to see CodeWarrior 7 fully build
> TextEdit.app.
> 
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In article <3B2395BD.C3FEAF2C@idiom.com>,
 "John C. Randolph" <jcrNOSPAM@idiom.com> wrote:

>> Maybe _you_ should try and let us know if it's the case, since _you_ are
>> the one with Obj-C/Cocoa experience, not Ron. And if it doesn't, file
>> some bug reports.
>
>I'm not the vendor, dude.

If you cared about the product, you wouldn't think it's excessive to 
spend a couple of hours to see what it takes to build a simple Cocoa 
app, and do something useful with that information -- like post it here 
so we all know.

If you don't care about the product, stop complaining about what it does.

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meeroh wrote:
> 
> In article <3B2395BD.C3FEAF2C@idiom.com>,
>  "John C. Randolph" <jcrNOSPAM@idiom.com> wrote:
> 
> >> Maybe _you_ should try and let us know if it's the case, since _you_ are
> >> the one with Obj-C/Cocoa experience, not Ron. And if it doesn't, file
> >> some bug reports.
> >
> >I'm not the vendor, dude.
> 
> If you cared about the product, you wouldn't think it's excessive to
> spend a couple of hours to see what it takes to build a simple Cocoa
> app, and do something useful with that information -- like post it here
> so we all know.
> 
> If you don't care about the product, stop complaining about what it does.

Who complained?  I asked whether it was suitable for a particular
purpose, and didn't get a straight answer.

-jcr

In article <3B239623.95DB7A34@idiom.com>,
 "John C. Randolph" <jcrNOSPAM@idiom.com> wrote:

>Nobody's asked you whether CW is a ProjectBuilder clone, or asked you to
>make it one.  

I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your intent.

> What I've asked is whether CW can build a Cocoa app, and
>you've been quite equivocal on that point.  How hard is it for you to
>attempt to build an example which is already known to build correctly
>under GCC?

The people that would know are out of the office,  I have no idea how to 
do this although I do have a mild interest in learning Objective C.   
I'll find out next week for certain.    I only answered because your 
"questions" left what I considered to be a false impression.  I was just 
trying to be honest.  

Ron

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In article <3B2118A6.3D38389E@idiom.com>,
 "John C. Randolph" <jcrNOSPAM@idiom.com> wrote:

>Let me be very specific:  Can I use CW to build, run and debug the
>Objective-C version of the TextEdit.app example from
>/Developer/Examples/AppKit?   If so, the answer to my question is yes. 

Metrowerks has built and ran these examples using CodeWarrior EA 7.

AppKit:
CompositeLab
DotView
HexInputServer
MenuMadness
OutlineView
Rulers
SimpleImageFilter
SimpleService
Sketch
TextEdit
TextSizingExample
UserDefaults

CoreFoundation:
NotificationObserver
NotificationPoster

Foundation:
Authenticator
ForwardInvocation
MultiThreadedDO

Some of the code uses non-standard gcc features that need to be changed, 
but that was just in 4 or 5 places.

The only libraries I included in the TextEdit app are MW_Runtime.a and
crt1.o.  Since we're using a plugin based on Apple's linker, you need to
make sure these two libraries are at the bottom of the link order.  You 
can be strange results sometimes if they're not.

Ron

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Has anyone profiled CW- and PB-built versions of these examples?  CW is
reputed to have a better compiler, and I'd like to see some figures.

-jcr


MWRon wrote:
> 
> In article <3B2118A6.3D38389E@idiom.com>,
>  "John C. Randolph" <jcrNOSPAM@idiom.com> wrote:
> 
> >Let me be very specific:  Can I use CW to build, run and debug the
> >Objective-C version of the TextEdit.app example from
> >/Developer/Examples/AppKit?   If so, the answer to my question is yes.
> 
> Metrowerks has built and ran these examples using CodeWarrior EA 7.
> 
> AppKit:
> CompositeLab
> DotView
> HexInputServer
> MenuMadness
> OutlineView
> Rulers
> SimpleImageFilter
> SimpleService
> Sketch
> TextEdit
> TextSizingExample
> UserDefaults
> 
> CoreFoundation:
> NotificationObserver
> NotificationPoster
> 
> Foundation:
> Authenticator
> ForwardInvocation
> MultiThreadedDO
> 
> Some of the code uses non-standard gcc features that need to be changed,
> but that was just in 4 or 5 places.
> 
> The only libraries I included in the TextEdit app are MW_Runtime.a and
> crt1.o.  Since we're using a plugin based on Apple's linker, you need to
> make sure these two libraries are at the bottom of the link order.  You
> can be strange results sometimes if they're not.
> 
> Ron
> 
> --
> Metrowerks announces host of new Wireless Java tools at JavaOne
> 
> Java Support Newsgroups: codewarrior.java, codewarrior.java.embedded
> 
> Metrowerks - Ron Liechty - MWRon@metrowerks.com

In article <3B295139.AE396882@idiom.com>, "John C. Randolph" 
<jcrNOSPAM@idiom.com> wrote:

> Has anyone profiled CW- and PB-built versions of these examples?  CW is
> reputed to have a better compiler, and I'd like to see some figures.
> 
> -jcr
> 

I often have similar questions to the ones you pose. In my case I try 
these things myself. Not only do I get the answers but the contribution 
to my education and understanding is very valuable.

Of course that does mean I actually have to do the work....

respect...

Peter

-- 
"Developing quality software requires a great deal 
of effort over a long period of time."  

Doug Schmidt - C++ Report May 1996

Peter Teeson <pteesonNOT@HIShome.com> writes:

> In article <3B295139.AE396882@idiom.com>, "John C. Randolph" 
> <jcrNOSPAM@idiom.com> wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone profiled CW- and PB-built versions of these examples?  CW is
> > reputed to have a better compiler, and I'd like to see some figures.
> > 
> > -jcr
> > 
> 
> I often have similar questions to the ones you pose. In my case I try 
> these things myself. Not only do I get the answers but the contribution 
> to my education and understanding is very valuable.
> 
> Of course that does mean I actually have to do the work....

And buy CW6 first. Don't forget that.

 Stefan