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Article #7Re: The Art of Computer Mindmaking
From: Arthur T. Murray
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:00
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:00
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scott@nospam.doubleu.com (Scott Hess) told it like it is: >In article <5317.691T149T990937@i2k.com>, > "Lyster E. Wick Jr." <lwickjr@i2k.com> writes: > On 22-Jan-99 04:04:16 Sean Luke <seanl@drinkme.cs.umd.edu> typed: > SL> As a guy in his field (AI), you can take it from me. The man is a > SL> grade-A certified wacko. > > I accept that his ideas do not fit in with the current mainstream > AI thinking, but that does not automaticaly, in and of itself, mean > that he is wrong and you are right, even if he does happen to be > wrong, and you to be right. > > Have you given him a fair hearing? ><...> > In my humble opinion, we should support such serious attempts at > the presumed-impossible, for we may well find out that some things > are not so impossible after all, and will surely learn from the > failures as well, if we're paying attention. > > Thus, I find what he has to say to be interesting, no matter how > contrary it may be to current mainstream AI thinking. > >You're on a long and slippery slope. Everyone seems to follow along >nodding with the first mentifex posting that they see. It seems >interesting, different - hey, maybe it's weird enough to succeed! > >Things look a bit different after the 150th or so posting that you >see. He posts regularily to comp.arch, for instance. "Mentifex"/Arthur here. (I can't post as "Mentifex" any more; my Canadian ISP changed its software.) Yes, I *sometimes* post to the computer architecture newsgroup, and I cite my Website http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/7256/comparch.html where I connect the state of comp.arch with Vingean AI, as at http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~phoenix/vinge/vinge-sing.html -- what I consider to be the most important document about AI. > His postings >never really seem to _say_ much. The best I can say is that he >appears to be stuck in the "posing college-age cafe dude" stage of >development, without the ability to break through to the next level >(going from talking about how things are going to come together to >_bringing_ them together). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The talk phase is over; even today after a little more coding I plan on Internet Web Release #21 at URL http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/7256/m-forth.html Mind.forth > >[Hey, I feel for mentifex, I get stuck in a similar stage every couple >months. But I try to keep my Usenet postings more varied and >interesting. :-),] Thanks for the gentlemanly posts, Mr. Wicks and Mr. Hess. - ATM >-- >scott hess <scott@doubleu.com> (408) 739-8858 http://www.doubleu.com/ ><Favorite unused computer book title: The Compleat Demystified Idiots > Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1045ed,bb62ed49fed08297,start X-Google-Attributes: gid1045ed,public X-Google-Thread: ffc26,cd68dfa3f988767d X-Google-Attributes: gidffc26,public X-Google-Thread: 10ca9b,dca10a9499b9356 X-Google-Attributes: gid10ca9b,public X-Google-Thread: f98ee,cd68dfa3f988767d X-Google-Attributes: gidf98ee,public X-Google-Thread: f6087,cd68dfa3f988767d X-Google-Attributes: gidf6087,public From: uj797@victoria.tc.ca (Arthur T. Murray) Subject: Re: The Art of Computer Mindmaking Date: 1999/01/25 Message-ID: <36ac9e01.0@news.victoria.tc.ca> X-Deja-AN: 436728565 Organization: Victoria Telecommunity Network Keywords: artificial intelligence, mentifex, pdai, pdaimind, robotics Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.ai.philosophy,bionet.neuroscience Summary: A very select few will be profoundly infected by the Meme of PDAI.